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> <channel><title>Comments on: Dishonesty and Insults Are Not the Ways to Earn Our Trust, Senator Inhofe</title> <atom:link href="http://www.sundriesshack.com/2010/11/12/dishonesty-and-insults-are-not-the-ways-to-earn-our-trust-senator-inhofe/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2010/11/12/dishonesty-and-insults-are-not-the-ways-to-earn-our-trust-senator-inhofe/</link> <description>Delivering the Best of the New Media Since 2004.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 03:09:31 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: ThePaganTemple</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2010/11/12/dishonesty-and-insults-are-not-the-ways-to-earn-our-trust-senator-inhofe/comment-page-1/#comment-695363</link> <dc:creator>ThePaganTemple</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:56:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=14204#comment-695363</guid> <description>Some earmarks are good, some are terrible, but the best way to deal with them is as separate articles on their own merit. Brit Hume explained it real good today on Fox News Sunday. Earmarks are traditionally buried in legislation as an inducement for Senators to vote for bills they might ordinarily never think of voting for. In other words, its legislative bribery. Take them out of that process and let them stand or fall on their own merits. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some earmarks are good, some are terrible, but the best way to deal with them is as separate articles on their own merit. Brit Hume explained it real good today on Fox News Sunday. Earmarks are traditionally buried in legislation as an inducement for Senators to vote for bills they might ordinarily never think of voting for. In other words, its legislative bribery. Take them out of that process and let them stand or fall on their own merits.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2010/11/12/dishonesty-and-insults-are-not-the-ways-to-earn-our-trust-senator-inhofe/comment-page-1/#comment-695338</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:31:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=14204#comment-695338</guid> <description>But as I said in my post, the legislative branch can specify that without earmarks in a far more honest and open way. If Senator Inhofe wants to spend money on better body armor, he can specifically write that in a bill and spend that money for that purpose. If it a failing of Congress that it essentially sends a huge pot of cash to the executive to do what it will with it, save what he and his colleagues don&#039;t set aside for their own pet projects at home.
My point, and I think I made is explicitly, is that earmarks are an inherently corrupt process by which legislators buy favors at home with our tax money. The best piece of evidence for that, and against the Senator&#039;s argument, is that you rarely see a member of Congress setting aside a substantial earmark for a worthy project in someone else&#039;s district. Surely, if earmarks were the tool for directing spending wisely and in a Constitutional fashion, then he would have sent a few earmarks toward needed projects elsewhere. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But as I said in my post, the legislative branch can specify that without earmarks in a far more honest and open way. If Senator Inhofe wants to spend money on better body armor, he can specifically write that in a bill and spend that money for that purpose. If it a failing of Congress that it essentially sends a huge pot of cash to the executive to do what it will with it, save what he and his colleagues don&#039;t set aside for their own pet projects at home.</p><p>My point, and I think I made is explicitly, is that earmarks are an inherently corrupt process by which legislators buy favors at home with our tax money. The best piece of evidence for that, and against the Senator&#039;s argument, is that you rarely see a member of Congress setting aside a substantial earmark for a worthy project in someone else&#039;s district. Surely, if earmarks were the tool for directing spending wisely and in a Constitutional fashion, then he would have sent a few earmarks toward needed projects elsewhere.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chuck Bearden</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2010/11/12/dishonesty-and-insults-are-not-the-ways-to-earn-our-trust-senator-inhofe/comment-page-1/#comment-695336</link> <dc:creator>Chuck Bearden</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:57:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=14204#comment-695336</guid> <description>If your goal is to critique Inhofe&#039;s talking points and rhetoric, you do a pretty good job. Nonetheless, I don&#039;t think you come close to showing he is wrong to counsel the Tea Party against spending political capital to abolish earmarks. Your critique of his first point as you construe it is the weak spot, in my estimation.
You are absolutely right that the best thing would be for projects that are now funded as earmarks to be pursued instead in the open legislative process.  As a practical matter, I don&#039;t think that will happen any time soon. Therefore, it really is a question of who gets to spend the money: the executive branch or the legislative branch. You seem to concede as much in your response to the first Inhofe quote in your post. As long as that is the case, then my answer is always that it should be the legislative branch that chooses, be the process by which it chooses ever so ugly and corrupt. Persuade me that it is practically achievable to reform the legislation and appropriations process to exclude earmarks without shifting the money and responsibility to the executive, and I&#039;ll be on your side.
Have you read any of what James Joyner or Doug Mataconis have written on this subject? I&#039;d be interested to see you interact with their views.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/earmark-reform-who-decides-how-tax-money-is-spent/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Earmark Reform: Who Decides How Tax Money is Spent?&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/rand-paul-the-tea-party-and-the-phony-war-on-earmarks/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rand Paul, The Tea Party, And The Phony &#8220;War On Earmarks&#8221;&lt;/a&gt;
By the way, the photo at the top doesn&#039;t depict depict a smoke-filled back-room in its &quot;film of origin&quot; (&quot;M&quot;, one of the greatest films ever made). It shows a Stammtisch (regulars&#039; table) in a 1920&#039;s Berlin pub, where citizens congregate over a drink and the day&#039;s papers. It&#039;s kind of the in-crowd of the middle-class citizens. These things usually aren&#039;t in back-rooms, though they may be in a desirable nook of the pub. But because it is a clear mark of status to be admitted to the Stammtisch, there is value in it being visible to the occasional customers who find their way in to the establishment. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your goal is to critique Inhofe&#039;s talking points and rhetoric, you do a pretty good job. Nonetheless, I don&#039;t think you come close to showing he is wrong to counsel the Tea Party against spending political capital to abolish earmarks. Your critique of his first point as you construe it is the weak spot, in my estimation.</p><p>You are absolutely right that the best thing would be for projects that are now funded as earmarks to be pursued instead in the open legislative process.  As a practical matter, I don&#039;t think that will happen any time soon. Therefore, it really is a question of who gets to spend the money: the executive branch or the legislative branch. You seem to concede as much in your response to the first Inhofe quote in your post. As long as that is the case, then my answer is always that it should be the legislative branch that chooses, be the process by which it chooses ever so ugly and corrupt. Persuade me that it is practically achievable to reform the legislation and appropriations process to exclude earmarks without shifting the money and responsibility to the executive, and I&#039;ll be on your side.</p><p>Have you read any of what James Joyner or Doug Mataconis have written on this subject? I&#039;d be interested to see you interact with their views.</p><p><a
href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/earmark-reform-who-decides-how-tax-money-is-spent/" rel="nofollow">Earmark Reform: Who Decides How Tax Money is Spent?</a></p><p><a
href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/rand-paul-the-tea-party-and-the-phony-war-on-earmarks/" rel="nofollow">Rand Paul, The Tea Party, And The Phony &ldquo;War On Earmarks&rdquo;</a></p><p>By the way, the photo at the top doesn&#039;t depict depict a smoke-filled back-room in its &quot;film of origin&quot; (&quot;M&quot;, one of the greatest films ever made). It shows a Stammtisch (regulars&#039; table) in a 1920&#039;s Berlin pub, where citizens congregate over a drink and the day&#039;s papers. It&#039;s kind of the in-crowd of the middle-class citizens. These things usually aren&#039;t in back-rooms, though they may be in a desirable nook of the pub. But because it is a clear mark of status to be admitted to the Stammtisch, there is value in it being visible to the occasional customers who find their way in to the establishment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Some of the headlines you may have missed&#8230; &#171; Cubachi</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2010/11/12/dishonesty-and-insults-are-not-the-ways-to-earn-our-trust-senator-inhofe/comment-page-1/#comment-695330</link> <dc:creator>Some of the headlines you may have missed&#8230; &#171; Cubachi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:55:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=14204#comment-695330</guid> <description>[...] Sundries Shack: Dishonesty and Insults Are Not the Ways to Earn Our Trust, Senator Inhofe [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sundries Shack: Dishonesty and Insults Are Not the Ways to Earn Our Trust, Senator Inhofe [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Terry Ott</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2010/11/12/dishonesty-and-insults-are-not-the-ways-to-earn-our-trust-senator-inhofe/comment-page-1/#comment-695325</link> <dc:creator>Terry Ott</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:22:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=14204#comment-695325</guid> <description>Well, he may have tossed up a curve ball to the public with this nonsense, but you DID hit it into the street behind the center field stands.  Bravo.
I especially love this little passage by the Senator: &quot;To be clear, there are many spending proposals that should be defeated. But we should defeat them based on the substance ...&quot;
I&#039;ve seen a curve ball up close and personal, and that&#039;s no curve ball.  That looks like a hanging slider over the heart of the plate at about 70 mph.
But, I want to be sure I understand your point, Senator.  You&#039;re implying, then, that earmarks are generally placed out there in the noonday sun so all can take a look and figure out the merits of their &quot;substance&quot;.  Do I have that right?   They&#039;re not stealthily buried on the nine-hundred-sixty-third page of some bloated bill.  And they are never the offspring of mutual back-scratching in the cloak room?   Right?   OK, then.  When are you up for election? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, he may have tossed up a curve ball to the public with this nonsense, but you DID hit it into the street behind the center field stands.  Bravo.</p><p>I especially love this little passage by the Senator: &quot;To be clear, there are many spending proposals that should be defeated. But we should defeat them based on the substance &#8230;&quot;</p><p>I&#039;ve seen a curve ball up close and personal, and that&#039;s no curve ball.  That looks like a hanging slider over the heart of the plate at about 70 mph.</p><p>But, I want to be sure I understand your point, Senator.  You&#039;re implying, then, that earmarks are generally placed out there in the noonday sun so all can take a look and figure out the merits of their &quot;substance&quot;.  Do I have that right?   They&#039;re not stealthily buried on the nine-hundred-sixty-third page of some bloated bill.  And they are never the offspring of mutual back-scratching in the cloak room?   Right?   OK, then.  When are you up for election?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tweets that mention Dishonesty and Insults Are Not the Ways to Earn Our Trust, Senator Inhofe -- Topsy.com</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2010/11/12/dishonesty-and-insults-are-not-the-ways-to-earn-our-trust-senator-inhofe/comment-page-1/#comment-695314</link> <dc:creator>Tweets that mention Dishonesty and Insults Are Not the Ways to Earn Our Trust, Senator Inhofe -- Topsy.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:35:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=14204#comment-695314</guid> <description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jimmie, Phineas Fahrquar, Jennifer, Jayvie Canono, Tommy and others. Tommy said: RT @Cubachi: RT @jimmiebjr: New Post: Dishonesty and Insults Are Not the Ways to Earn Our Trust, Senator Inhofe http://bit.ly/9RziH6 [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jimmie, Phineas Fahrquar, Jennifer, Jayvie Canono, Tommy and others. Tommy said: RT @Cubachi: RT @jimmiebjr: New Post: Dishonesty and Insults Are Not the Ways to Earn Our Trust, Senator Inhofe <a
href="http://bit.ly/9RziH6" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/9RziH6</a> [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: smitty</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2010/11/12/dishonesty-and-insults-are-not-the-ways-to-earn-our-trust-senator-inhofe/comment-page-1/#comment-695313</link> <dc:creator>smitty</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:19:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=14204#comment-695313</guid> <description>On point #2, the intended consequence is that people who want projects pay for them, rather than mooching off the other 49 states.
By what measure is the admitted value of the Big Dig greater than the graft involved in producing it?
Fantastic post, BTW. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On point #2, the intended consequence is that people who want projects pay for them, rather than mooching off the other 49 states.</p><p>By what measure is the admitted value of the Big Dig greater than the graft involved in producing it?</p><p>Fantastic post, BTW.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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