Comments on: What We Don’t Know About Obamacare Could Kill Us

By: Kate

Kate — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:01:33 +0000

There is a reason US Infant mortality rates are higher-I have researched this because I was very curious about life expectancy in the US and other countries with the kind of healthcare that is being proposed. Many other countries do not include premature and still births as part of their numbers while the US does. Also, the life expectancy is lower in US because we include violent crimes and suicide in our numbers to the UN.

By: Jimmie

Jimmie — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:55:24 +0000

Yep, Joe, blame me for everything. However, ask yourself why, if your utopian idea is such a great deal, it's only resulted in more death and more misery everywhere it's been tried.

By: Joe

Joe — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:27:04 +0000

Who places lies in the internet must accept that others tell the truth. The living standard in the US may be higher in your limited area than in the european countries but is definitely not country wide. Keep your eyes shut and pretend you are living in the paradise, it won't help. You and your kind are responsible for the death and misery of our people, poor education levels (20% US citizens can't read nor write), for the high rate of crime, for people bleeding to death in emergency rooms,….. This is my last comment to you superhero.

By: ~* Cheesestick *~

~* Cheesestick *~ — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:22:00 +0000

"fostert says:

July 25, 2009 at 21:15

Now obviously, I’ll just move to Thailand…"

How soon can you leave?

By: Jimmie

Jimmie — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:21:39 +0000

But they aren't. There are all sorts of variables that come into play that one statistic simple can not track. For instance, the US ranks very high in curing cancer but not so well in deaths from diseases related to obesity. Is it a failing of the health care system that people in the US suffer from obesity-related diseases or is it an indicator that the US is a far more prosperous country that gives its people the freedom to act as they please? It seems to me that it is the latter and not the former.

And, like I said, the US has an infant mortality below many other countries yet a life expectancy above them. What does that say for your analysis? You cherry-pick the UK and Canada where the numbers correlate but ignore several other countries where the numbers do not.

The other question that puts your analysis in doubt is the number of people who leave Canada and the UK to seek treatment here because of long wait times and rationing. The reverse happens rarely. Of course, the UK and Canada do not have truly socialist health care systems as those with more money can always buy extra care while the poor can't. On the other hand, the poor get all sorts of care here whether they can pay or not.

And that, I'm afraid, is my last on the matter here. I have other things I need to be doing and you haven't paid me to sit around and be your debating partner.

By: Joe

Joe — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:13:09 +0000

Obviously you don’t want to understand the numbers. Statistical figures about life expectations are a summary of the health and well being of a country; that includes any type any cause of illness, even cancer. If US is so good curing cancer how comes that people die younger in the US than in those evil democratic countries. I never said there is a correlation between infant mortality and life expectancy, superhero. Infant mortality by itself is 28 % less in Canada and more than 30 % less in United Kingdom. This is an indication of the quality of our present health care system. Does that ring a bell, or you still can't read numbers….

By: Jimmie

Jimmie — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:46:43 +0000

*sigh*

Look, you're getting tedious. Well, check that. You've been tedious. Now you're wasting my time.

I posted the links. They support what I claim — that infant mortality rates and life expectancy do not correspond the way you say they do. I have also shown that the US stacks up very well on stats where health care matters – cancer survivability.

You seem persistent in signing away your freedom on a gossamer promise of, well nothing since the health care legislation you want so badly hasn't even been written yet. I am not so willing.

By: Joe

Joe — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:40:22 +0000

Read your facts:

Life expectancy USA # 46, Canada # 8, United Kingdom # 36

Infant Mortality USA 6.4/1000, Canada 4.6/1000, United Kingdom 5/1000 (reading 6.4 dead infants based on a count of 1000.

Is this the health care of the #1 country in the world, shame on you misleading your readers ….