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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/07/13/these-days-progressives-arent-shy/comment-page-1/#comment-685026</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  My mistake.  Cheesecake shouldn&#039;t be mistaken for Cheesesticks or any other Cheezey thing! 
 
Nevertheless, it seems as if the two types of Cheese have more in common that not - _that&#039;s_ a good thing!  At least if you&#039;re going to get confused with someone else, it should be someone with whom you can agree! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  My mistake.  Cheesecake shouldn&#039;t be mistaken for Cheesesticks or any other Cheezey thing!</p>
<p>Nevertheless, it seems as if the two types of Cheese have more in common that not &#8211; _that&#039;s_ a good thing!  At least if you&#039;re going to get confused with someone else, it should be someone with whom you can agree!</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry about that, Cheesestick. That was my fault. It&#039;s been a long ten days or so... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m sorry about that, Cheesestick. That was my fault. It&#039;s been a long ten days or so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ~* Cheesestick *~</title>
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		<dc:creator>~* Cheesestick *~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all - just going to derail this thread a minute to clear up any confusion about me &amp; &quot;Cheesecake&quot;.   
 
Suek - It&#039;s me, Lori, you are thinking of...and yes, I changed my screen name here from &quot;Lori&quot; to the one I use everywhere else (Cheesestick) way back when P.Diddy was making a fuss about people calling him by his government name, Sean Combs. LOL 
 
Anyway, me and Cheesecake are not the same person.  I don&#039;t even think we are related...? 
 
So, I have added some squiggly lines to my name to maybe make it easier to tell us apart from now on. 
 
PS - Nice to meet you Cheesecake...please email Jimmie your addy as he thought you were me also. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all &#8211; just going to derail this thread a minute to clear up any confusion about me &amp; &quot;Cheesecake&quot;.  </p>
<p>Suek &#8211; It&#039;s me, Lori, you are thinking of&#8230;and yes, I changed my screen name here from &quot;Lori&quot; to the one I use everywhere else (Cheesestick) way back when P.Diddy was making a fuss about people calling him by his government name, Sean Combs. LOL</p>
<p>Anyway, me and Cheesecake are not the same person.  I don&#039;t even think we are related&#8230;?</p>
<p>So, I have added some squiggly lines to my name to maybe make it easier to tell us apart from now on.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Nice to meet you Cheesecake&#8230;please email Jimmie your addy as he thought you were me also.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/07/13/these-days-progressives-arent-shy/comment-page-1/#comment-685011</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latter is why I did a &quot;maybe&quot; on legalizing drugs.  If we as a society were prepared to let people suffer the results of their drug use without intervention, then I&#039;d say let them do as they choose.  But in fact, a person who has overdosed, or a person who does drugs in such a way that they can&#039;t support themselves - or a family - ends up being saved by society...often at great cost.   
 
I came out on the low end of the Libertarian quadrant(?), by the way.  On the consenting adults one, for example - I had to say &quot;maybe&quot;.  I have two issues - behind closed doors and consenting adults.  Closed doors is clear.  &quot;Consenting&quot; could be a bit iffy, although maybe if you assume &quot;adult&quot;, then you just have to treat some people like druggies - let them suffer the consequences of their choices.  
 
Re: &quot;her&quot; 
Sorry if incorrect.  I thought I remembered that before &quot;way back when&quot; when you changed your user name to Cheesecake that you had a feminine name. &quot;What&#039;s in a name? A rose by any other name...etc&quot;  We still agree most of the time...! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latter is why I did a &quot;maybe&quot; on legalizing drugs.  If we as a society were prepared to let people suffer the results of their drug use without intervention, then I&#039;d say let them do as they choose.  But in fact, a person who has overdosed, or a person who does drugs in such a way that they can&#039;t support themselves &#8211; or a family &#8211; ends up being saved by society&#8230;often at great cost.  </p>
<p>I came out on the low end of the Libertarian quadrant(?), by the way.  On the consenting adults one, for example &#8211; I had to say &quot;maybe&quot;.  I have two issues &#8211; behind closed doors and consenting adults.  Closed doors is clear.  &quot;Consenting&quot; could be a bit iffy, although maybe if you assume &quot;adult&quot;, then you just have to treat some people like druggies &#8211; let them suffer the consequences of their choices. </p>
<p>Re: &quot;her&quot;</p>
<p>Sorry if incorrect.  I thought I remembered that before &quot;way back when&quot; when you changed your user name to Cheesecake that you had a feminine name. &quot;What&#039;s in a name? A rose by any other name&#8230;etc&quot;  We still agree most of the time&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Cheesecake</title>
		<link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/07/13/these-days-progressives-arent-shy/comment-page-1/#comment-685007</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheesecake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, the name &quot;cheesecake&quot; doesn&#039;t lend itself very well to a gender ID. :P 
 
Well, like I said they can be members of multiple groups simultaneously. Being a group 6 member can be good if you recognize that a person&#039;s life is theirs to live as they see fit, and the government really has no reason to intervene in it, then I would consider that a correct stance. Its an expansion of the economic freedom that conservatives are all out for. I think this quiz, and the subsequent chart is the proper &quot;Political spectrum,&quot; as it were. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html&lt;/a&gt; (sorry I don&#039;t know how to link in comments, copypasta (notatypo:P)) 
 
Problem is that alot of the more hardcore liberals believe this, AND that the government should pay for alot of these freedoms, like a drug-addict that doesn&#039;t work should be taken care of through welfare. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, the name &quot;cheesecake&quot; doesn&#039;t lend itself very well to a gender ID. <img src='http://www.sundriesshack.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Well, like I said they can be members of multiple groups simultaneously. Being a group 6 member can be good if you recognize that a person&#039;s life is theirs to live as they see fit, and the government really has no reason to intervene in it, then I would consider that a correct stance. Its an expansion of the economic freedom that conservatives are all out for. I think this quiz, and the subsequent chart is the proper &quot;Political spectrum,&quot; as it were. <a href="http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html</a> (sorry I don&#039;t know how to link in comments, copypasta (notatypo:P))</p>
<p>Problem is that alot of the more hardcore liberals believe this, AND that the government should pay for alot of these freedoms, like a drug-addict that doesn&#039;t work should be taken care of through welfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheesecake</title>
		<link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/07/13/these-days-progressives-arent-shy/comment-page-1/#comment-685006</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheesecake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her? &gt;:( </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her? &gt;:(</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really terrific analysis, Cheesecake.  Jimmy, you should post her comment as an article in itself! 
 
&gt;&gt;Group 6&gt;&gt; 
 
The interesting thing about this group is that in attempting to ensure personal freedom, they trample on the freedoms of others. 
One recent example is efforts to silence use of prayer or the Pledge of Allegiance in public body meetings (City Council, for example).  Their supposed goal is to &quot;free people from enforced prayer&quot;, but in fact, in order to do this, they suppress other&#039;s right to prayer.  Whether I think it&#039;s a good idea or not is irrelevant, but if sufficient number of people object to their City Council&#039;s opening prayer, they should be able to muster votes to replace the council with those who agree with them.  No law compels an opening prayer...it&#039;s a policy.  Policies can be changed.  Opening with a prayer could be an accepted policy by one council, and not with another.  By making it a legal issue, it becomes unchangeable. There is no longer a choice. 
 
Not everything falls into this category, but many things pushed for by the Left, do. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really terrific analysis, Cheesecake.  Jimmy, you should post her comment as an article in itself!</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Group 6&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>The interesting thing about this group is that in attempting to ensure personal freedom, they trample on the freedoms of others.</p>
<p>One recent example is efforts to silence use of prayer or the Pledge of Allegiance in public body meetings (City Council, for example).  Their supposed goal is to &quot;free people from enforced prayer&quot;, but in fact, in order to do this, they suppress other&#039;s right to prayer.  Whether I think it&#039;s a good idea or not is irrelevant, but if sufficient number of people object to their City Council&#039;s opening prayer, they should be able to muster votes to replace the council with those who agree with them.  No law compels an opening prayer&#8230;it&#039;s a policy.  Policies can be changed.  Opening with a prayer could be an accepted policy by one council, and not with another.  By making it a legal issue, it becomes unchangeable. There is no longer a choice.</p>
<p>Not everything falls into this category, but many things pushed for by the Left, do.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Belvedere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Belvedere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great posting Jimmie... 
 
It has amazed me how openly the Lefties now espouse those beliefs of their&#039;s that they would never have dared to before&#8212;it literally has taken my breath away at several points.  Its as if they no longer fear any backlash from trumpeting their inhumane,  and totalitarian ideas.  The backlash has already started, in fact.  Why have they not restrained themselves accordingly?  If they did so, folks like myself who have been warning about the Left for years, have suffered marginalization, but now are enjoying a wider audience, could very easily be re-branded exaggerators, not fit to be included in polite conversations.  They could then proceed with their subtle and stealthy socialization and not face rebellions.  I can only conclude that either (1) the Leftists are so caught up in their joyous immanentizing of the eschaton that they have lost all contact with reality or (2) they feel that enough of the American people are so stupid and have become and are becoming even more so dependent on the government that the people will ultimately give-in to their leadership.  What other explanations are possible? 
 
Quoted from, linked to, awarded you SPOT-ON QUOTE OF THE DAY at:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thecampofthesaints.com/2009.07.12_arch.html#1247616532578&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thecampofthesaints.com/2009.07.12_arch...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posting Jimmie&#8230;</p>
<p>It has amazed me how openly the Lefties now espouse those beliefs of their&#039;s that they would never have dared to before&mdash;it literally has taken my breath away at several points.  Its as if they no longer fear any backlash from trumpeting their inhumane,  and totalitarian ideas.  The backlash has already started, in fact.  Why have they not restrained themselves accordingly?  If they did so, folks like myself who have been warning about the Left for years, have suffered marginalization, but now are enjoying a wider audience, could very easily be re-branded exaggerators, not fit to be included in polite conversations.  They could then proceed with their subtle and stealthy socialization and not face rebellions.  I can only conclude that either (1) the Leftists are so caught up in their joyous immanentizing of the eschaton that they have lost all contact with reality or (2) they feel that enough of the American people are so stupid and have become and are becoming even more so dependent on the government that the people will ultimately give-in to their leadership.  What other explanations are possible?</p>
<p>Quoted from, linked to, awarded you SPOT-ON QUOTE OF THE DAY at:<br />
  <a href="http://www.thecampofthesaints.com/2009.07.12_arch.html#1247616532578" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecampofthesaints.com/2009.07.12_arch&#8230;</a></p>
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