Comments on: Sanford Has Affair, Is Accused of Hypocrisy by Hypocrites

By: fostert

fostert — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:35:48 +0000

"they stayed that way and didn’t cheat"

Well, except for one guy, but he's a Republican. One of the few I know. One aspect I've always seen from Republicans is this: complete disdain for the female population. And he has it.

By: fostert

fostert — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:15:06 +0000

And let's face it, if he thinks gay marriage will undermine the foundations of marriage, he needs to explain why his actions didn't undermine them. He obviously screwed up his marriage with his own actions. Much more than Andrew Sullivan marrying his boyfriend. The sanctity of marriage is clearly under threat, but it's because heterosexual couples routinely cheat on each other. Not because two men want to be in the committed relationship that heterosexuals usually don't have. I am friends with only one gay couple in a marriage. One of them was a great friend from college. He met the love of his life twenty years ago just after graduation. They are married now. As for the heterosexual relationships of my friends, almost all of them failed, but when they got married, they stayed that way and didn't cheat. The concept of consent works. The concept that you must marry a person of the opposite sex and then be faithful doesn't. It's just not human nature.

By: fostert

fostert — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:00:12 +0000

Support for DOMA, DADT, Abstinence Only requirements, and his own state's Adultery law (which he avoided by leaving the country). His disdain for birth control (which he obviously used), and his support for anti-pornography legislation. Oh yeah, and he wanted to impeach Clinton for the same indiscretions. I'm guessing he doesn't want to impeach himself right now. For good reason. These kind of situations should be private and have no basis for determining whether one should hold office. I'm totally with Gov. Sanford on staying in office. And so are the vast majority of Democrats. He should not have left the country without telling his staff where he was and not turning over authority to the Lieutenant Governor. But that's a pretty minor offense. You can't do that as President, obviously. But as Governor, it's not a huge deal. As Governor, he doesn't hold "The Football."

I'm sorry, but this man does support legislation that does affect other people's consensual sexual habits. And nobody should support that unless they can live up to it on their own. He fails that standard. I support a simple standard on sexual practices: If it's consensual, it's cool. I hold myself to a higher standard, but I never expect anyone else to. He does, and fails.

If you want links, do it yourself, you have better search engines than I do. I only have Google, which can't look beyond recent headlines. I only have my memory, which is quite astounding, actually. I can't always remember what happened five minutes ago, but if I do, I'll remember it forever. As vividly as it happened, random hand gestures and all.

By: suek

suek — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:54:27 +0000

>>Mark Sanford wants to write his moral standards into law, and expects the rest of us to obey the laws he proposes. >>

Really? I'd really like some links to something on this…

By: fostert

fostert — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:18:21 +0000

That would be a very good point if Mark Sanford advocated keeping one's morality to one's self. Obviously, we all set moral standards for ourselves and don't always live up to them. Sometimes we even do it publicly. I set some very unusual moral standards for myself that I certainly don't expect anyone else to uphold. But that's the difference. Mark Sanford wants to write his moral standards into law, and expects the rest of us to obey the laws he proposes. But he won't expect himself to obey them. I expect a higher moral standard from myself than I think the law should expect. He expects the law to enforce a higher standard than he himself can achieve. This has nothing to do with his personal behavior because I don't care what he does. And I don't think he should resign. But he should stop telling other people how to behave. Jesus said it right: "let he without sin cast the first stone." Mark Sanford has cast many stones at me, and I've never cast one back at him. Yet I live up to a higher moral standard than he does. I don't tell other people how do behave, so what right does he have to tell me how to behave? And what right does he have to advocate laws to enforce my behavior?

By: suek

suek — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:13:04 +0000

"Mark Sanford is indeed a hypocrite,"

Disagree with you here. A hypocrite would have said "it wasn't wrong (for me) because of …xxx(whatever)". So, for example, Clinton smoked marijuana, "but didn't inhale". Clinton didn't "have sex with that woman" although by virtually anybody else's definition, yes he did. _His_ definition, however, allowed him to deny it. "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is".

Sanford has basically said "I did wrong". In other words, there is a standard and he admits he failed to live up to that standard. He is not a hypocrite. _Nobody_ can live up to our ideals all the time – that's the bind that liberals want to put us into. We fail to be perfect, therefore we're hypocrites, therefore there's no point in having ideals.

Don't get sucked into thinking that way. Sanford fell. He shouldn't have, but he did. People are disappointed in him – with cause – but it doesn't mean that he's less capable than he was. Whether he and his wife can repair their marriage is up to them. Everybody else should stay out of it.

If you require perfect men to govern us, we'll have no one able to fulfill the requirements. I'd rather have a man with failings who admits his failings, than one who claims to have none or one who simply doesn't have standards or ideals in which he can fail.

By: Doc_Savage

Doc_Savage — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:53:30 +0000

We'll keep our legislation out your bedrooms when you lot agree to keep your effin' bedrooms out of public society. Have sex with whomever, whatever you want, just don't ask to redefine marriage. Don't want your perversions to be public business, don't make them so.

By: Jimmie

Jimmie — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:39:17 +0000

Like the President and smoking, yes?

Not intellectually honest, like I said. Now, go play with your lefty friends. Don't have any more time for your hypocrisy.