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> <channel><title>Comments on: I&#8217;m in Favor of Hawaii&#8217;s Islam Day and Think We Could Use a Lutheran Day, Too.</title> <atom:link href="http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/05/07/im-in-favor-of-hawaiis-islam-day-and-think-we-could-use-a-lutheran-day-too/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/05/07/im-in-favor-of-hawaiis-islam-day-and-think-we-could-use-a-lutheran-day-too/</link> <description>Delivering the Best of the New Media Since 2004.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 06:20:26 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: MarshaMcNeely</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/05/07/im-in-favor-of-hawaiis-islam-day-and-think-we-could-use-a-lutheran-day-too/comment-page-1/#comment-702676</link> <dc:creator>MarshaMcNeely</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 18:07:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=8846#comment-702676</guid> <description>THiS IS MY HOMESTATE ,MY BIRTH STATE, AND MY COUNTRY AND I JUST HAD MY FREEDOM OF RELIGION  DENIED BY PEOPLE IN THE WORKPLACE. I ASKED SENATOR MITCH MCCONNELL&#039;S STAFF SINCE WHEN DOES THE ARAB WORLD RELIGION TAKE PRIORITY OVER EVERYTHING IN MY UNITED STATES? HOW ARE THOSE ARABS AND MUSLIMS CONSIDERING THEIRSELVES &quot;CHRISTIANS&quot; WHEN YOU SHOW NO COMPASSION FOR THE PEOPLE  WHO NEED NOT TO BE REMINDED IT&#039;S OUR PEOPLE NOT YOURS SACRIFICING .YOU MAKE ME BITTER THAT I&quot;M BITTER . THE MIDDLE EAST RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN THIS COUNTRY. WE  ARE AT WAR NOW . PHYSICAL AND MENTAL. I SAY BRING OUR PEOPLE HOME . I SAY= NOT THIS TIME- NOT THE SAME RACE-NOT IN LIBYA. TAKE CARE THE MIDDLE EAST YOURSELF MUSLIMS. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THiS IS MY HOMESTATE ,MY BIRTH STATE, AND MY COUNTRY AND I JUST HAD MY FREEDOM OF RELIGION  DENIED BY PEOPLE IN THE WORKPLACE. I ASKED SENATOR MITCH MCCONNELL&#039;S STAFF SINCE WHEN DOES THE ARAB WORLD RELIGION TAKE PRIORITY OVER EVERYTHING IN MY UNITED STATES? HOW ARE THOSE ARABS AND MUSLIMS CONSIDERING THEIRSELVES &quot;CHRISTIANS&quot; WHEN YOU SHOW NO COMPASSION FOR THE PEOPLE  WHO NEED NOT TO BE REMINDED IT&#039;S OUR PEOPLE NOT YOURS SACRIFICING .YOU MAKE ME BITTER THAT I&quot;M BITTER . THE MIDDLE EAST RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN THIS COUNTRY. WE  ARE AT WAR NOW . PHYSICAL AND MENTAL. I SAY BRING OUR PEOPLE HOME . I SAY= NOT THIS TIME- NOT THE SAME RACE-NOT IN LIBYA. TAKE CARE THE MIDDLE EAST YOURSELF MUSLIMS.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jamal</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/05/07/im-in-favor-of-hawaiis-islam-day-and-think-we-could-use-a-lutheran-day-too/comment-page-1/#comment-692926</link> <dc:creator>Jamal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:59:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=8846#comment-692926</guid> <description>Bravo Hawaii, well done!! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo Hawaii, well done!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/05/07/im-in-favor-of-hawaiis-islam-day-and-think-we-could-use-a-lutheran-day-too/comment-page-1/#comment-683748</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 00:12:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=8846#comment-683748</guid> <description>Well, I see that someone should not be elected to nor excluded from office because of religion, but that is hardly a separation of the two in the way you have specified.
Indeed, there were a lot of writings about religion and government. Nearly all of them say that religious faith was not only important to the continued success of our system of government, but vital. I can give you a few pages worth of quotes, but a little Googling should do you just fine.
When I refer to the Danbury letter, I do so because it was the fundamental piece of writing cited in the SCOTUS case that erected the famous &quot;wall of separation&quot;. Indeed, that phrase is a direct quote from the letter. To my knowledge, no other writing from any founder was used to justify the Court&#039;s decision.
As I said, nothing in the Constitution prevents any state from respecting one, several, or all religions. That is the beauty of our system of government. As constructed, states may conduct themselves as they wish and you, as a free citizen, may live in the one whose laws suit you best. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I see that someone should not be elected to nor excluded from office because of religion, but that is hardly a separation of the two in the way you have specified.</p><p>Indeed, there were a lot of writings about religion and government. Nearly all of them say that religious faith was not only important to the continued success of our system of government, but vital. I can give you a few pages worth of quotes, but a little Googling should do you just fine.</p><p>When I refer to the Danbury letter, I do so because it was the fundamental piece of writing cited in the SCOTUS case that erected the famous &quot;wall of separation&quot;. Indeed, that phrase is a direct quote from the letter. To my knowledge, no other writing from any founder was used to justify the Court&#039;s decision.</p><p>As I said, nothing in the Constitution prevents any state from respecting one, several, or all religions. That is the beauty of our system of government. As constructed, states may conduct themselves as they wish and you, as a free citizen, may live in the one whose laws suit you best.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: pcrider</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/05/07/im-in-favor-of-hawaiis-islam-day-and-think-we-could-use-a-lutheran-day-too/comment-page-1/#comment-683745</link> <dc:creator>pcrider</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 23:00:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=8846#comment-683745</guid> <description>One letter?
The revolutionary period is full of discussions and writings on the subject. You are talking about the Danbury Priest letter and that is famous but hardly the only letter or significant piece written on the subject at the time.
The Constitution contains a very direct seperation of Church and State in paragraph 3 of Article 6.
&quot;The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States&quot;.
Note the reference to both State and federal elected officials.
Pretty clear instructions. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One letter?</p><p>The revolutionary period is full of discussions and writings on the subject. You are talking about the Danbury Priest letter and that is famous but hardly the only letter or significant piece written on the subject at the time.</p><p>The Constitution contains a very direct seperation of Church and State in paragraph 3 of Article 6.</p><p>&quot;The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States&quot;.</p><p>Note the reference to both State and federal elected officials.</p><p>Pretty clear instructions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/05/07/im-in-favor-of-hawaiis-islam-day-and-think-we-could-use-a-lutheran-day-too/comment-page-1/#comment-683742</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 22:24:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=8846#comment-683742</guid> <description>As I said, there is no Constitutional prohibition against any state doing this very thing, with one religion or many. Also, as I said, the reasoning for there being the separation that exists now is based on a single letter and avoids all the other writings of the Founders. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said, there is no Constitutional prohibition against any state doing this very thing, with one religion or many. Also, as I said, the reasoning for there being the separation that exists now is based on a single letter and avoids all the other writings of the Founders.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: pcrider</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/05/07/im-in-favor-of-hawaiis-islam-day-and-think-we-could-use-a-lutheran-day-too/comment-page-1/#comment-683737</link> <dc:creator>pcrider</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:27:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=8846#comment-683737</guid> <description>To me there is some hypocrisy between allowing this occasion for any Religion given the limits many communities have placed on Christianity in all of its&#039; many versions. To a Buddhist I know the religions of all of the Sons of Abraham, Christianity, Islam, and judaism all look like versions of the same religion that worships the same God.
I am for a good degree more seperation than this event represents for any religion.
Shall we have a day for each Religion?
How about a day where all non-profits including churches that contribute to their communities are recognized.
Let them have a parade and the Governor or the Mayor can go out just like on Columbus Day and read the list of Community benefits provided by the groups.
Idon&#039;t beleive it is the place of the Government or part of our philosophical foundations to single out one religion for Government recognition like this. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me there is some hypocrisy between allowing this occasion for any Religion given the limits many communities have placed on Christianity in all of its&#039; many versions. To a Buddhist I know the religions of all of the Sons of Abraham, Christianity, Islam, and judaism all look like versions of the same religion that worships the same God.</p><p>I am for a good degree more seperation than this event represents for any religion.</p><p>Shall we have a day for each Religion?</p><p>How about a day where all non-profits including churches that contribute to their communities are recognized.</p><p>Let them have a parade and the Governor or the Mayor can go out just like on Columbus Day and read the list of Community benefits provided by the groups.</p><p>Idon&#039;t beleive it is the place of the Government or part of our philosophical foundations to single out one religion for Government recognition like this.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/05/07/im-in-favor-of-hawaiis-islam-day-and-think-we-could-use-a-lutheran-day-too/comment-page-1/#comment-683729</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 15:52:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=8846#comment-683729</guid> <description>I can understand your point of view and certainly, the singling out of any one religion for favor (Christianity, by the way, is not a religion, but a group of religions) is unconstitutional. However, the notion that church and state has to be entirely separate from each other is neither a Constitutional view nor one that was held closely by any Founder. The only reference to such was in one letter written by Thomas Jefferson.
More, though, the notion that a state could not endorse a particular religion is not prohibited by the Constitution. It may be prohibited by a state Constitution, but that&#039;s up to the state, just as the Founders intended it should be. The advantage to you is if you don&#039;t like that your state favors a religion, you can move to another one, or petition your state government to change its mind.
But I don&#039;t see the situation as religions competing for scraps of support but as a people asking their government to encourage religious belief of all kinds. I believe that is a proper place for government and the founders did as well. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand your point of view and certainly, the singling out of any one religion for favor (Christianity, by the way, is not a religion, but a group of religions) is unconstitutional. However, the notion that church and state has to be entirely separate from each other is neither a Constitutional view nor one that was held closely by any Founder. The only reference to such was in one letter written by Thomas Jefferson.</p><p>More, though, the notion that a state could not endorse a particular religion is not prohibited by the Constitution. It may be prohibited by a state Constitution, but that&#039;s up to the state, just as the Founders intended it should be. The advantage to you is if you don&#039;t like that your state favors a religion, you can move to another one, or petition your state government to change its mind.</p><p>But I don&#039;t see the situation as religions competing for scraps of support but as a people asking their government to encourage religious belief of all kinds. I believe that is a proper place for government and the founders did as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: pcrider</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2009/05/07/im-in-favor-of-hawaiis-islam-day-and-think-we-could-use-a-lutheran-day-too/comment-page-1/#comment-683728</link> <dc:creator>pcrider</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 15:42:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=8846#comment-683728</guid> <description>I don&#039;t think that either the State or Federal Govt. should support any religion. A non-denominational national day of prayer I can just swallow but the singling out of any religion, Christian, Muslim, Judaism, Hindu, buddhist or whatever is antithetical to the idea of seperation of Church and State.
I really think this is a slippery slope where religions will compete for scraps of support from local and State Governments and in pockets where some religions have a clear majority there will be abuses and govt. sanctification that allow areas where some groups attempt to exercise dominion over others. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t think that either the State or Federal Govt. should support any religion. A non-denominational national day of prayer I can just swallow but the singling out of any religion, Christian, Muslim, Judaism, Hindu, buddhist or whatever is antithetical to the idea of seperation of Church and State.</p><p>I really think this is a slippery slope where religions will compete for scraps of support from local and State Governments and in pockets where some religions have a clear majority there will be abuses and govt. sanctification that allow areas where some groups attempt to exercise dominion over others.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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