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		<title>By: The Greenroom &#187; Forum Archive &#187; President Obama&#8217;s Terrorist-Fighting Fail</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Greenroom &#187; Forum Archive &#187; President Obama&#8217;s Terrorist-Fighting Fail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the President painted himself into a corner. He can&#8217;t keep Gitmo open right now (though reneging on his word later still remains a viable option, since the vociferous left has a very short and selective memory) and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the President painted himself into a corner. He can&#8217;t keep Gitmo open right now (though reneging on his word later still remains a viable option, since the vociferous left has a very short and selective memory) and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cheesestick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheesestick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forrest - I&#039;m guessing you haven&#039;t looked too deeply into the subject &amp; what the objections are?  Which, in a way I guess its good; at least you haven&#039;t been visiting the sites that Fostert visits that fill him with these deluded fantasies he is sputtering about.   
 
But still, a quick look into it would help you understand it is not about fear of the terrorists.  The fact is, when people are brought into criminal courts charged with things like murder or accessory to murder, planting bombs or smuggling weapons, typically there is a long &amp; thorough investigation to support such claims.  There are experts to testify &amp; witnesses, etc.  Honestly, you would not be able to get a criminal conviction for most of these people given the standard of evidence required by our courts for OUR US citizens.  There is a long list of other reasons to but this one being key.  These people are not US citizens; bringing them to the US and granting them the rights of US citizens; rights protected by the constitution &amp; our military whom these individuals were trying to kill...you just cannot make the case to me that they deserve to be afforded such luxury.  Nor can you point to a single war where this precedent has previously been set.  This has never happened...because it is lunacy and there was a day when the majority of Americans had enough sense to see that.      
 
And last, I would just like to point out...as a fellow Texan....we are not doing so good in the area of convictions for heinous crimes here in Texas.  Yes, we do better than most IMO, but we still have a woman who drowned her 5 children and the other woman who smashed her 3 children&#039;s heads with rocks....unable to convict either.  And there was that guy, Robert Durst, in Galveston who even confessed to killing his neighbor &amp; cutting up his body and throwing it into the bay....he was acquitted.  There are plenty of other examples so your chest-thumping here is misplaced.  Convictions would NOT be guaranteed in Texas nor any other state. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forrest &#8211; I&#039;m guessing you haven&#039;t looked too deeply into the subject &amp; what the objections are?  Which, in a way I guess its good; at least you haven&#039;t been visiting the sites that Fostert visits that fill him with these deluded fantasies he is sputtering about.  </p>
<p>But still, a quick look into it would help you understand it is not about fear of the terrorists.  The fact is, when people are brought into criminal courts charged with things like murder or accessory to murder, planting bombs or smuggling weapons, typically there is a long &amp; thorough investigation to support such claims.  There are experts to testify &amp; witnesses, etc.  Honestly, you would not be able to get a criminal conviction for most of these people given the standard of evidence required by our courts for OUR US citizens.  There is a long list of other reasons to but this one being key.  These people are not US citizens; bringing them to the US and granting them the rights of US citizens; rights protected by the constitution &amp; our military whom these individuals were trying to kill&#8230;you just cannot make the case to me that they deserve to be afforded such luxury.  Nor can you point to a single war where this precedent has previously been set.  This has never happened&#8230;because it is lunacy and there was a day when the majority of Americans had enough sense to see that.     </p>
<p>And last, I would just like to point out&#8230;as a fellow Texan&#8230;.we are not doing so good in the area of convictions for heinous crimes here in Texas.  Yes, we do better than most IMO, but we still have a woman who drowned her 5 children and the other woman who smashed her 3 children&#039;s heads with rocks&#8230;.unable to convict either.  And there was that guy, Robert Durst, in Galveston who even confessed to killing his neighbor &amp; cutting up his body and throwing it into the bay&#8230;.he was acquitted.  There are plenty of other examples so your chest-thumping here is misplaced.  Convictions would NOT be guaranteed in Texas nor any other state.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonsense. If you really believe that anything we have now is even close to the Hanoi Hilton, then you&#039;ve lost touch with reality and probably shouldn&#039;t be commenting on anyone&#039;s blog. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense. If you really believe that anything we have now is even close to the Hanoi Hilton, then you&#039;ve lost touch with reality and probably shouldn&#039;t be commenting on anyone&#039;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: forrest</title>
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		<dc:creator>forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bring those terrorist to Texas and put them on trial.. we have a great policy if you kill people we will kill you back. If we can get past the fear mongering of republicans &quot;ooohhh the terrorist are coming whiners&quot; we in Texas will take care of them. If the gangs  don&#039;t kill them in prison they  will become somebody&#039;s bitch and if that doesn&#039;t happen it&#039;s on to death row. Republicans need to stop hiding under their mothers skirts </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bring those terrorist to Texas and put them on trial.. we have a great policy if you kill people we will kill you back. If we can get past the fear mongering of republicans &quot;ooohhh the terrorist are coming whiners&quot; we in Texas will take care of them. If the gangs  don&#039;t kill them in prison they  will become somebody&#039;s bitch and if that doesn&#039;t happen it&#039;s on to death row. Republicans need to stop hiding under their mothers skirts</p>
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		<title>By: fostert</title>
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		<dc:creator>fostert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but I wanted to use my mind instead of falling back on progressive talking points&quot; 
 
If you think I&#039;m just relying on talking points, think again.  I&#039;m been to Tuol Sleng and several minor torture facilities like the Hanoi Hilton.  The Hanoi Hilton was a luxury resort compared to Tuol Sleng.  What John McCain went through was child&#039;s play.  I can&#039;t even look at an orange and white checkerboard pattern anymore, because that&#039;s what they had on the floor at Tuol Sleng.  Just that image is enough to literally make me sick.  As bad as Tuol Sleng was, our facilities are worse.  We use the same techniques and then blare loud noises at the victims during the breaks.  At least you could get some rest at Tuol Sleng.  This kind of thing is truly disturbing, and you are an evil, sick man for supporting it.  I&#039;d say you are as bad as the terrorists, but I&#039;m sure most terrorists would oppose these techniques. It is simply psychopathic sadism.  Or Republican philosophy.  But there&#039;s no difference between the two, is there? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;but I wanted to use my mind instead of falling back on progressive talking points&quot;</p>
<p>If you think I&#039;m just relying on talking points, think again.  I&#039;m been to Tuol Sleng and several minor torture facilities like the Hanoi Hilton.  The Hanoi Hilton was a luxury resort compared to Tuol Sleng.  What John McCain went through was child&#039;s play.  I can&#039;t even look at an orange and white checkerboard pattern anymore, because that&#039;s what they had on the floor at Tuol Sleng.  Just that image is enough to literally make me sick.  As bad as Tuol Sleng was, our facilities are worse.  We use the same techniques and then blare loud noises at the victims during the breaks.  At least you could get some rest at Tuol Sleng.  This kind of thing is truly disturbing, and you are an evil, sick man for supporting it.  I&#039;d say you are as bad as the terrorists, but I&#039;m sure most terrorists would oppose these techniques. It is simply psychopathic sadism.  Or Republican philosophy.  But there&#039;s no difference between the two, is there?</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could have, but I wanted to use my mind instead of falling back on progressive talking points. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could have, but I wanted to use my mind instead of falling back on progressive talking points.</p>
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		<title>By: fostert</title>
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		<dc:creator>fostert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Here&#8217;s why I think that.&quot; 
 
You could have summed up the following words in one simple phrase: &quot;because I&#039;m nuts.&quot;  Instead you write a long diatribe that included this beautiful piece of delusion: 
 
&quot;He wasn&#8217;t about to send a detainee home to a place where he knew the man would be really tortured.&quot; 
 
Okay, Bush sent people to places like Syria and Egypt.  You think those countries are just fine and dandy?  And their techniques are just milk and cookies?  I&#039;d like to think you&#039;re smoking better pot than me, but I know damn well that I get the best in world.  You are obviously just naturally crazy.   
 
But the &quot;would be really tortured&quot; thing really drives me nuts.  We employ the very best torture techniques in the world.  We took the best that the Khmer Rouge, the Russians, the Chinese, and the Spanish Inquisition had to offer, and then added our own new techniques.  And we turned that into the most sophisticated torture regime in history.  Think Jesus got it bad?  Well, we simulate crucifixion to such an extent that every bit of the pain is preserved.  The only difference is that we don&#039;t have the decency to just let the poor guy die.  We keep him alive so it can last for months.  Jesus got off easy.  You want to know what real torture is?  Go to Tuol Sleng in Cambodia.  They had to put barbed wire on the second floor balconies to prevent people from killing themselves to avoid the torture.  And that torture was merely a subset of what we do.  Every single technique they used there is used by us.  Every damn one of them.  And you don&#039;t think that&#039;s torture?  Give me a week with you, and let me use US techniques on you.  After two hours, you&#039;ll understand.  Want to try the rest of the week?  Didn&#039;t think so. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Here&rsquo;s why I think that.&quot;</p>
<p>You could have summed up the following words in one simple phrase: &quot;because I&#039;m nuts.&quot;  Instead you write a long diatribe that included this beautiful piece of delusion:</p>
<p>&quot;He wasn&rsquo;t about to send a detainee home to a place where he knew the man would be really tortured.&quot;</p>
<p>Okay, Bush sent people to places like Syria and Egypt.  You think those countries are just fine and dandy?  And their techniques are just milk and cookies?  I&#039;d like to think you&#039;re smoking better pot than me, but I know damn well that I get the best in world.  You are obviously just naturally crazy.  </p>
<p>But the &quot;would be really tortured&quot; thing really drives me nuts.  We employ the very best torture techniques in the world.  We took the best that the Khmer Rouge, the Russians, the Chinese, and the Spanish Inquisition had to offer, and then added our own new techniques.  And we turned that into the most sophisticated torture regime in history.  Think Jesus got it bad?  Well, we simulate crucifixion to such an extent that every bit of the pain is preserved.  The only difference is that we don&#039;t have the decency to just let the poor guy die.  We keep him alive so it can last for months.  Jesus got off easy.  You want to know what real torture is?  Go to Tuol Sleng in Cambodia.  They had to put barbed wire on the second floor balconies to prevent people from killing themselves to avoid the torture.  And that torture was merely a subset of what we do.  Every single technique they used there is used by us.  Every damn one of them.  And you don&#039;t think that&#039;s torture?  Give me a week with you, and let me use US techniques on you.  After two hours, you&#039;ll understand.  Want to try the rest of the week?  Didn&#039;t think so.</p>
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