Lots of people know that rape is wrong yet clearly, the punishment of such a crime is certainly wide open. As Jimmie said, there are levels when it comes to murder and so there are levels on the issue of rape also; whether you are talking about statutory rape, or date rape, or the worst kind where someone violently rapes a random stranger or a child. People do disagree on the punishment of such crimes & I'm sure there are plenty of people who haven't given a thought to what the actual penalties should be. Does that mean they are "stumped" on whether or not rape is wrong?

Say for example, we had a pro-rape movement in this country. This video is probably the equivalent of the pro-rape movement going around interviewing anti-rape people; finding out that they haven't given much thought to the amount of punishment that should be given for such a crime. And then concluding that their position regarding the wrongness of the act is somehow on shaky ground based on their lack of forethought regarding a just penalty.

That said, I have given it some thought…and I do believe that if we ever get to the point where we could make most abortions illegal, then yes, I do think there should be penalties against the mother. (As with any law, there must be an enforcement mechanism.) But of course, this penalty would vary, just like with any other crime where a number of variables will determine how much probation, education/treatment or jail time….yes, jail time an offender would receive.

The problem with "safe, legal, and rare" is that doing the first two makes the third very difficult.

Daniel Floren who claims to have it all figured out

Where do I claim this? Actually, I claim the opposite. I don't have lots of things figured out, and what I do think I have figured out I could be wrong. Not sure why you said I claimed I have it all figured out — it's the exact opposite of what I claim!

Also, I didn't create the question, and I never claimed it would stump all anti-abortionists. Just many of the godbots holding up signs because "the Lord called them."

Except that he’s not terribly clever because hasn’t thought things through nearly as well as he believe he has.

Gosh, I knew I should have spent more than 15 minutes on that post!

Daniel would be a lot better off taking time to learn what pro-life people believe, and why they believe it, and a lot less time patting himself on the back for making fun of them.

Though I've been a pro-lifer for over a decade, and still do not like it, I know I don't know all the pro-life arguments. And I agree it's a difficult issue. I wish we lived in a world where no one wanted to have abortions. And I support people who want to help women in tough situations. But I also think it should be safe, legal, and rare.

Thanks for your thoughts, even if they were a bit barbed.