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> <channel><title>Comments on: Ted Stevens Found Guilty on All Counts</title> <atom:link href="http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/10/27/ted-steven-found-guilty-on-all-counts/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/10/27/ted-steven-found-guilty-on-all-counts/</link> <description>Delivering the Best of the New Media Since 2004.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 03:53:55 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: Cheesestick</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/10/27/ted-steven-found-guilty-on-all-counts/comment-page-1/#comment-671905</link> <dc:creator>Cheesestick</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:33:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=6339#comment-671905</guid> <description>LOL - Okay, stick to your fantasy stories GOF.  Whatever gets you through... </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL &#8211; Okay, stick to your fantasy stories GOF.  Whatever gets you through&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Grumpy Old Fart</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/10/27/ted-steven-found-guilty-on-all-counts/comment-page-1/#comment-671879</link> <dc:creator>Grumpy Old Fart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:53:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=6339#comment-671879</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn&#039;t fully support her and had to go.&quot;&lt;/a&gt; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html" rel="nofollow">&quot;According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn&#039;t fully support her and had to go.&quot;</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cheesestick</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/10/27/ted-steven-found-guilty-on-all-counts/comment-page-1/#comment-671860</link> <dc:creator>Cheesestick</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:24:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=6339#comment-671860</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Watched you link.
LOL
She tried to fire the librarian for defying her book banning ways, and &#8220;relented under public pressure&#8221;.
Yeah, that sure put the lie to her views on free speech&#8230;.
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Grumpy Old Fart &#124; Oct 27, 2008 &#124; Reply&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think this was a case of you hearing what you want to hear.  And, I partially blame CNN because they kind of through that &#8220;dog whistle&#8221; in there so that Palin-haters would hear it the way you did and the rest of us would hear what was actually said.  If you won&#039;t go watch it again, I&#039;ll tell you what was actually said....
&lt;blockquote&gt;Announcer:  &#8220;Then there&#039;s the rumor that, as mayor of little Wasilla, AK, Palin demanded that certain books be banned from the library....didn&#039;t happen.  The truth is, that she did ask some questions about banning books, and even informed the librarian she was being fired, but later relented under pressure.  But for the record, no books were banned.&#8221;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
See, he said she &#8220;asked some questions&#8221; &lt;strong&gt;AND&lt;/strong&gt; &#8220;she informed the librarian she was being fired&#8221;.  He did not say, &#8220;she asked some questions, and as a result of the answers she informed the librarian she was being fired.&#8221;  But the way, he kind of rammed it all together, I can see how you would make that mistake.
Then the tape cuts to the factcheck.org woman who says, &#8220;You could draw an inference.  Many people have drawn an inference.  All we know is we have no evidence one way or the other.&#8221;
But we do have a few other facts on hand.  Like the fact that the questions regarding the book banning policy did not take place in the same &#8220;meeting&#8221; as the request for the librarian&#039;s resignation.  Also, this request for resignation came the same week as Palin&#039;s requests for the resignations of ALL the other department heads did; and the librarian never cited the &#8220;book-banning&#8221; conversation as the reason for her being asked to resign.  And lastly, months prior to Palin being elected mayor, the library director was in fact working to revise the current &#8220;book-challenging&#8221; policy as there had been some &#8220;dispute&#8221; 2 years earlier regarding a challenged book at on of the libraries.  So, it kind of sounds like these kinds of issues might be normal course of business to be discussed between a library director &amp; her new boss, no? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Watched you link.</p><p>LOL</p><p>She tried to fire the librarian for defying her book banning ways, and &ldquo;relented under public pressure&rdquo;.</p><p>Yeah, that sure put the lie to her views on free speech&hellip;.</p><p>Reply &#8211; Quote</p><p>Grumpy Old Fart | Oct 27, 2008 | Reply</p></blockquote><p>I think this was a case of you hearing what you want to hear.  And, I partially blame CNN because they kind of through that &ldquo;dog whistle&rdquo; in there so that Palin-haters would hear it the way you did and the rest of us would hear what was actually said.  If you won&#039;t go watch it again, I&#039;ll tell you what was actually said&#8230;.</p><blockquote><p>Announcer:  &ldquo;Then there&#039;s the rumor that, as mayor of little Wasilla, AK, Palin demanded that certain books be banned from the library&#8230;.didn&#039;t happen.  The truth is, that she did ask some questions about banning books, and even informed the librarian she was being fired, but later relented under pressure.  But for the record, no books were banned.&rdquo;</p></blockquote><p>See, he said she &ldquo;asked some questions&rdquo; <strong>AND</strong> &ldquo;she informed the librarian she was being fired&rdquo;.  He did not say, &ldquo;she asked some questions, and as a result of the answers she informed the librarian she was being fired.&rdquo;  But the way, he kind of rammed it all together, I can see how you would make that mistake.</p><p>Then the tape cuts to the factcheck.org woman who says, &ldquo;You could draw an inference.  Many people have drawn an inference.  All we know is we have no evidence one way or the other.&rdquo;</p><p>But we do have a few other facts on hand.  Like the fact that the questions regarding the book banning policy did not take place in the same &ldquo;meeting&rdquo; as the request for the librarian&#039;s resignation.  Also, this request for resignation came the same week as Palin&#039;s requests for the resignations of ALL the other department heads did; and the librarian never cited the &ldquo;book-banning&rdquo; conversation as the reason for her being asked to resign.  And lastly, months prior to Palin being elected mayor, the library director was in fact working to revise the current &ldquo;book-challenging&rdquo; policy as there had been some &ldquo;dispute&rdquo; 2 years earlier regarding a challenged book at on of the libraries.  So, it kind of sounds like these kinds of issues might be normal course of business to be discussed between a library director &amp; her new boss, no?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Grumpy Old Fart</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/10/27/ted-steven-found-guilty-on-all-counts/comment-page-1/#comment-671848</link> <dc:creator>Grumpy Old Fart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:10:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=6339#comment-671848</guid> <description>Watched you link.
LOL
She tried to fire the librarian for defying her book banning ways, and &quot;relented under public pressure&quot;.
Yeah, that sure put the lie to her views on free speech.... </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched you link.</p><p>LOL</p><p>She tried to fire the librarian for defying her book banning ways, and &quot;relented under public pressure&quot;.</p><p>Yeah, that sure put the lie to her views on free speech&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Grumpy Old Fart</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/10/27/ted-steven-found-guilty-on-all-counts/comment-page-1/#comment-671847</link> <dc:creator>Grumpy Old Fart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:03:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=6339#comment-671847</guid> <description>Yes, she&#039;s energized the fundie base and disgusted the core of party.  That&#039;s a winning formula?
Or have the Fundies become the core?  I doubt it.
See you on the 5th. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, she&#039;s energized the fundie base and disgusted the core of party.  That&#039;s a winning formula?</p><p>Or have the Fundies become the core?  I doubt it.</p><p>See you on the 5th.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/10/27/ted-steven-found-guilty-on-all-counts/comment-page-1/#comment-671841</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:46:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=6339#comment-671841</guid> <description>Yes, lies. The librarian said that she never so much as attempted to ban any books, ever. that she inquired into the process can be attributed to any number of reasons. You claimed that she was &quot;book-banning&quot;. She was not. That is a lie.
Your dinosaur allegation is also not true. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaZn1_ZrDPI&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CNN debunked that story pretty solidly&lt;/a&gt; and it&#039;s been out there for at least a month.
The fictions you&#039;re telling are the main point. Whether you like Palin or not, you&#039;re not entitles to spread long-debunked fibs about her.
As to the rest of your point, I&#039;ll say that you&#039;re doing a good job of floating the Obama talking points. Indeed, polls have her as more acceptable than Barack Obama&#039;s VP. She has also done something that no mainstream (which I&#039;ll say is your codeword for &quot;moderate&quot;) candidate could ever have done - energized the Republican base. The energy she&#039;s put back into the campaign is very clear.
As for the polls, well, we remember how accurate they&#039;ve been recently, don&#039;t we? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, lies. The librarian said that she never so much as attempted to ban any books, ever. that she inquired into the process can be attributed to any number of reasons. You claimed that she was &quot;book-banning&quot;. She was not. That is a lie.</p><p>Your dinosaur allegation is also not true. <a
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaZn1_ZrDPI" rel="nofollow">CNN debunked that story pretty solidly</a> and it&#039;s been out there for at least a month.</p><p>The fictions you&#039;re telling are the main point. Whether you like Palin or not, you&#039;re not entitles to spread long-debunked fibs about her.</p><p>As to the rest of your point, I&#039;ll say that you&#039;re doing a good job of floating the Obama talking points. Indeed, polls have her as more acceptable than Barack Obama&#039;s VP. She has also done something that no mainstream (which I&#039;ll say is your codeword for &quot;moderate&quot;) candidate could ever have done &#8211; energized the Republican base. The energy she&#039;s put back into the campaign is very clear.</p><p>As for the polls, well, we remember how accurate they&#039;ve been recently, don&#039;t we?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Grumpy Old Fart</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/10/27/ted-steven-found-guilty-on-all-counts/comment-page-1/#comment-671837</link> <dc:creator>Grumpy Old Fart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:04:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=6339#comment-671837</guid> <description>But let&#039;s get back to the main point.
McCain chooses any mainstream VP and he&#039;s got a shot.  The Palin pick, clearly, and by all polling, cost him a chance of winning.
And the lesson is axiomatic.  Americans don&#039;t like the extremes of either party, and to continue the pandering to that element is a losing proposition. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But let&#039;s get back to the main point.</p><p>McCain chooses any mainstream VP and he&#039;s got a shot.  The Palin pick, clearly, and by all polling, cost him a chance of winning.</p><p>And the lesson is axiomatic.  Americans don&#039;t like the extremes of either party, and to continue the pandering to that element is a losing proposition.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Grumpy Old Fart</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/10/27/ted-steven-found-guilty-on-all-counts/comment-page-1/#comment-671836</link> <dc:creator>Grumpy Old Fart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:00:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=6339#comment-671836</guid> <description>Lies?
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;She asked the library how she could go about banning books,&quot; he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. &quot;The librarian was aghast.&quot; That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn&#039;t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving &quot;full support&quot; to the mayor.&lt;/a&gt; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lies?</p><p><a
href="http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html" rel="nofollow">&quot;She asked the library how she could go about banning books,&quot; he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. &quot;The librarian was aghast.&quot; That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn&#039;t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving &quot;full support&quot; to the mayor.</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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