I also love how there is so much defense for an unborn fetus and so much indifference for a struggling animal.

There is a vast difference between a human being and an animal. If you can’t agree with that, we really don’t have common ground for conversation.

Look, guys, here’s the deal. Most of what you’re saying is simply, objectively, not true. The rest of what you say is purely subjective, yet you state it with the certainty of scientific face.

Put down the talking points and step away. I know we can have a civil conversation. It isn’t going to happen, though, so long as you all sound like little parrots for the DNC.

And no, I don't celebrate when someone has an abortion, no matter who that person it. It's offensive to me that you would assume so.

Now with that, I'm closing this thread to further comments. I've spent most of my time today riding herd on the comments here and I really don't have the time to do it more. Perhaps if some of you fill up my coffers, I'll treat it more like a job.

The general lack of respect we have for animal life is not very far from the lack of respect we seem to have for human life, no matter how "vast" the differences are between the two. Just face it, it's not about "life". I'm sure if you met a satanic priestess and her national socialist hubbie on the way to the abortion clinic you'd open the door and bow.

My point is that certain issues connect, albeit in generally simple ways, and should be recognized as issues as well if the same principle applies. Such as "life"

These are the kind of situations that we have to measure the moral/honor and logic/principle area with precision, and give each fairness.

I love how "baby murdering" terms are popping up left and right. It's so funny how a bunch of generally desensitized husks can be so existential when it's convenient.

I think abortion is something terrible, don't get me wrong. It is a sad situation, and it's disgusting. Yet, there are definite situations where it is necessary, and it is not a choice anybody else can make.

I also love how there is so much defense for an unborn fetus and so much indifference for a struggling animal. For the record I think PETA is terrible and mostly about contradictions and shock value. But it seems to be much easier for republicans to swipe at PETA than to actually consider the issues.

(this concept is the same for environmentalism)

So, as a person on the fence, I see nothing more than the same desperate sniping and less of anything INTERESTING.

As for your shuddering at infanticide, you should probably look into Obama's opposition to a law in Illinois that specifically prevented it. His prevarications about what he did would be instructional to you, perhaps.