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	<title>Comments on: A &#8220;Duh-bama&#8221; or a Family Secret Unwittingly Dragged into the Light? (UPDATE: Auschwitz. Buchenwald. Wherever.)</title>
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		<title>By: CR10</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this has what to do with the real big issues troubling our country? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this has what to do with the real big issues troubling our country?</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re mistaken, Joe.  Part of the problem is that apparently there are two Charles Paynes - one with the middle initial W, one with the middle initial of T.  Check out the comments on this article - folks who do genealogical research have gone to some lengths to get to the facts.   
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-query-to-the-89th-divisions-website&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-query-to-the...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#039;re mistaken, Joe.  Part of the problem is that apparently there are two Charles Paynes &#8211; one with the middle initial W, one with the middle initial of T.  Check out the comments on this article &#8211; folks who do genealogical research have gone to some lengths to get to the facts.  </p>
<p>  <a href="http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-query-to-the-89th-divisions-website" rel="nofollow">http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-query-to-the&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 10:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmci9nTuCkg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmci9nTuCkg&lt;/a&gt;  
 
  
 
Obama&#039;s great uncle was in the NAVY. 
 
Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10Nov42, Navy, 6293977 Registered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4 </description>
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<p>Obama&#039;s great uncle was in the NAVY.</p>
<p>Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10Nov42, Navy, 6293977 Registered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I was thinking there is that Mitt Romney clearly isn&#039;t a polygamist nor does he believe in it. Yet he was asked repeatedly to talk about polygamy and the Mormon Church as if he had some responsibility for it himself. 
 
Yet Barack Obama&#039;s never been put in a similar position. It&#039;s a matter of media consistency. They have to grill Obama to be consistent with how they grilled Romney. 
 
I don&#039;t think they should grill either one, but if you do one, you have to do both. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I was thinking there is that Mitt Romney clearly isn&#039;t a polygamist nor does he believe in it. Yet he was asked repeatedly to talk about polygamy and the Mormon Church as if he had some responsibility for it himself.</p>
<p>Yet Barack Obama&#039;s never been put in a similar position. It&#039;s a matter of media consistency. They have to grill Obama to be consistent with how they grilled Romney.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t think they should grill either one, but if you do one, you have to do both.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And ... oh yeah.... 
Good discussion on the question at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sweetness-light.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sweetness-light.com/&lt;/a&gt;  
 
I don&#039;t have a link to the article at the moment, but I think it posted yesterday or the day before.  If you haven&#039;t been there, take a look around - bet you&#039;ll like it...! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And &#8230; oh yeah&#8230;.</p>
<p>Good discussion on the question at <a href="http://www.sweetness-light.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sweetness-light.com/</a>  </p>
<p>I don&#039;t have a link to the article at the moment, but I think it posted yesterday or the day before.  If you haven&#039;t been there, take a look around &#8211; bet you&#039;ll like it&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because Obama converted to Christianity - it doesn&#039;t matter what his father believed.  The sheep has returned to the flock.  Romney is still an LDS, and there are - as we know - LDS fundamentalists who still believe in polygamy.  The fact that the main LDS church came into compliance with the law that makes polygamy illegal 100 years + ago is irrelevant.   
 
The whole thing is really irrational.  Divorce is so easy today that the whole of the US effectively practices a serial polygamy.  With the acceptance of gay marriage, the right of the State to regulate marriage is in question, so can polygamy be far behind?  People have become sexually promiscuous and live with (or at least couple with)multiple partners whenever they wish and regulation of extramarital sex is pretty much limited to restricting prostitution...so really - what does it matter?   
 
I don&#039;t understand it myself.  I&#039;m Catholic - one marriage for life.  But if people don&#039;t have that concept, what is the purpose of marriage???  why should the government have _anything_ to do with it?  What difference would it make if Romney believed in polygamy??   
 
Actually, the bigger question that the MSM ignores is whether Obama might be a bastard or not....haven&#039;t heard _that_ question raised, have you!!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Obama converted to Christianity &#8211; it doesn&#039;t matter what his father believed.  The sheep has returned to the flock.  Romney is still an LDS, and there are &#8211; as we know &#8211; LDS fundamentalists who still believe in polygamy.  The fact that the main LDS church came into compliance with the law that makes polygamy illegal 100 years + ago is irrelevant.  </p>
<p>The whole thing is really irrational.  Divorce is so easy today that the whole of the US effectively practices a serial polygamy.  With the acceptance of gay marriage, the right of the State to regulate marriage is in question, so can polygamy be far behind?  People have become sexually promiscuous and live with (or at least couple with)multiple partners whenever they wish and regulation of extramarital sex is pretty much limited to restricting prostitution&#8230;so really &#8211; what does it matter?  </p>
<p>I don&#039;t understand it myself.  I&#039;m Catholic &#8211; one marriage for life.  But if people don&#039;t have that concept, what is the purpose of marriage???  why should the government have _anything_ to do with it?  What difference would it make if Romney believed in polygamy??  </p>
<p>Actually, the bigger question that the MSM ignores is whether Obama might be a bastard or not&#8230;.haven&#039;t heard _that_ question raised, have you!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suek - A thought occurred to me fairly recently. Obama&#039;s father was, for some part of his life, an observant Muslim who had two wives. Obama&#039;s admitted as much. Why, I wonder, has he not been pressed on it nearly as much as Mitt Romney was on polygamy during the Republican primary? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suek &#8211; A thought occurred to me fairly recently. Obama&#039;s father was, for some part of his life, an observant Muslim who had two wives. Obama&#039;s admitted as much. Why, I wonder, has he not been pressed on it nearly as much as Mitt Romney was on polygamy during the Republican primary?</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; His father may or may not have been a Muslim.&gt;&gt; 
 
His father was a muslim.  And so is he, by islamic precepts.  Which is one of the reasons it&#039;s so interesting that there hasn&#039;t been any comment made by muslims about his being apostate.  Not from the standpoint of whether he&#039;s actually Christian in his beliefs or not, but because in islam, leaving islam is grounds for death.  And yet, muslims haven&#039;t said word one about his being born muslim.  The dog didn&#039;t bark, so to speak. 
 
By the way, someone has pointed out that there are 57 muslim nations. 
 
Also by the way, apparently it was his _grand_uncle who was in the 89th division, and who was among those who went into Ohrbach, a Jewish work camp.  Not one of the death camps, although apparently instead of sending them to the death chambers, they just worked them till they died.  I&#039;ll give him this - since he seems not to have an uncle, the family probably just his granduncle &quot;Uncle Whatever&quot; so that as a child he just thought of him as an uncle.  Who calls their grand uncles &quot;Grand Uncle...&quot;!!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; His father may or may not have been a Muslim.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>His father was a muslim.  And so is he, by islamic precepts.  Which is one of the reasons it&#039;s so interesting that there hasn&#039;t been any comment made by muslims about his being apostate.  Not from the standpoint of whether he&#039;s actually Christian in his beliefs or not, but because in islam, leaving islam is grounds for death.  And yet, muslims haven&#039;t said word one about his being born muslim.  The dog didn&#039;t bark, so to speak.</p>
<p>By the way, someone has pointed out that there are 57 muslim nations.</p>
<p>Also by the way, apparently it was his _grand_uncle who was in the 89th division, and who was among those who went into Ohrbach, a Jewish work camp.  Not one of the death camps, although apparently instead of sending them to the death chambers, they just worked them till they died.  I&#039;ll give him this &#8211; since he seems not to have an uncle, the family probably just his granduncle &quot;Uncle Whatever&quot; so that as a child he just thought of him as an uncle.  Who calls their grand uncles &quot;Grand Uncle&#8230;&quot;!!!</p>
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