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> <channel><title>Comments on: German Talis, Troofer Veracity, and a Lesson on Law Enforcement</title> <atom:link href="http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/04/25/german-talis-troofer-veracity-and-a-lesson-on-law-enforcement/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/04/25/german-talis-troofer-veracity-and-a-lesson-on-law-enforcement/</link> <description>Delivering the Best of the New Media Since 2004.</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 15:12:17 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: marigolds</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/04/25/german-talis-troofer-veracity-and-a-lesson-on-law-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-645824</link> <dc:creator>marigolds</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:20:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4418#comment-645824</guid> <description>&quot;Warren, I have not, in nearly twenty years, seen someone charged with Resisting who didn&#8217;t physically struggle against the arrest. I admit I&#8217;ve not seen every arrest made by the officers with whom I&#8217;ve worked, but I&#8217;ve seen dozens and dozens of folks charged with that, and none of them got it just for arguing.&quot;
You also can get resisting arrest for providing false identification (verbally, not presenting false documents). This is a very common one in college towns. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Warren, I have not, in nearly twenty years, seen someone charged with Resisting who didn&rsquo;t physically struggle against the arrest. I admit I&rsquo;ve not seen every arrest made by the officers with whom I&rsquo;ve worked, but I&rsquo;ve seen dozens and dozens of folks charged with that, and none of them got it just for arguing.&quot;</p><p>You also can get resisting arrest for providing false identification (verbally, not presenting false documents). This is a very common one in college towns.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/04/25/german-talis-troofer-veracity-and-a-lesson-on-law-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-645436</link> <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:41:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4418#comment-645436</guid> <description>Jim,
By omitting the rest of the story, and adding your comments, you&#039;d think that there was an angry struggle between the police and the 1,806 arrested protesters that was dragged through the courts, and that only 401 protesters escaped conviction through the rescuing intervention of videotaped evidence that contradicted the police reports.  In actuality the story mentions one lone police officer who testified incorrectly not &quot;Cops&quot; (plural) who lied.
In actuality it was merely a case of police officers using reasonable cause in arresting people when crowds started to become uncontrolled because of the acts of a much smaller number of persons engaging in disorderly conduct, which seems to be a wise course of action.  As the story goes on to document, more than 1,200 cases were dismissed _without_ any supporting videotaped evidence.
So the &quot;shift[ing] of the debate over precisely what happened on the streets during the week of the convention&quot; didn&#039;t have anything to do with rogue testimony by the police--there&#039;s only reported evidence of it happening in the case of one officer, and the rest of the report is silent about any other case.
I would add to Jimmie&#039;s comment:  ...And it wouldn&#039;t be surprising to learn that someone  who massages a 3-year-old story about one New York police officer to support his claims about today&#039;s New York police officers in general lies the most often of all! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p><p>By omitting the rest of the story, and adding your comments, you&#039;d think that there was an angry struggle between the police and the 1,806 arrested protesters that was dragged through the courts, and that only 401 protesters escaped conviction through the rescuing intervention of videotaped evidence that contradicted the police reports.  In actuality the story mentions one lone police officer who testified incorrectly not &quot;Cops&quot; (plural) who lied.</p><p>In actuality it was merely a case of police officers using reasonable cause in arresting people when crowds started to become uncontrolled because of the acts of a much smaller number of persons engaging in disorderly conduct, which seems to be a wise course of action.  As the story goes on to document, more than 1,200 cases were dismissed _without_ any supporting videotaped evidence.</p><p>So the &quot;shift[ing] of the debate over precisely what happened on the streets during the week of the convention&quot; didn&#039;t have anything to do with rogue testimony by the police&#8211;there&#039;s only reported evidence of it happening in the case of one officer, and the rest of the report is silent about any other case.</p><p>I would add to Jimmie&#039;s comment:  &#8230;And it wouldn&#039;t be surprising to learn that someone  who massages a 3-year-old story about one New York police officer to support his claims about today&#039;s New York police officers in general lies the most often of all!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/04/25/german-talis-troofer-veracity-and-a-lesson-on-law-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-645286</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:23:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4418#comment-645286</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Cops lie all the time, especially New York cops.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And so do the people they arrest. In my experience, the people they arrest lie a lot more often. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Cops lie all the time, especially New York cops.</p></blockquote><p>And so do the people they arrest. In my experience, the people they arrest lie a lot more often.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/04/25/german-talis-troofer-veracity-and-a-lesson-on-law-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-645285</link> <dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:19:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4418#comment-645285</guid> <description>Cops lie all the time, especially New York cops.
ennis Kyne put up such a fight at a political protest last summer, the arresting officer recalled, it took four police officers to haul him down the steps of the New York Public Library and across Fifth Avenue.
&quot;We picked him up and we carried him while he squirmed and screamed,&quot; the officer, Matthew Wohl, testified in December. &quot;I had one of his legs because he was kicking and refusing to walk on his own.&quot;
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Accused of inciting a riot and resisting arrest, Mr. Kyne was the first of the 1,806 people arrested in New York last summer during the Republican National Convention to take his case to a jury. But one day after Officer Wohl testified, and before the defense called a single witness, the prosecutor abruptly dropped all charges.
During a recess, the defense had brought new information to the prosecutor. A videotape shot by a documentary filmmaker showed Mr. Kyne agitated but plainly walking under his own power down the library steps, contradicting the vivid account of Officer Wohl, who was nowhere to be seen in the pictures. Nor was the officer seen taking part in the arrests of four other people at the library against whom he signed complaints.
A sprawling body of visual evidence, made possible by inexpensive, lightweight cameras in the hands of private citizens, volunteer observers and the police themselves, has shifted the debate over precisely what happened on the streets during the week of the convention.
For Mr. Kyne and 400 others arrested that week, video recordings provided evidence that they had not committed a crime or that the charges against them could not be proved, according to defense lawyers and prosecutors.
Among them was Alexander Dunlop, who said he was arrested while going to pick up sushi.
Last week, he discovered that there were two versions of the same police tape: the one that was to be used as evidence in his trial had been edited at two spots, removing images that showed Mr. Dunlop behaving peacefully. When a volunteer film archivist found a more complete version of the tape and gave it to Mr. Dunlop&#039;s lawyer, prosecutors immediately dropped the charges and said that a technician had cut the material by mistake.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/12/nyregion/12video.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/12/nyregion/12vide...&lt;/a&gt; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cops lie all the time, especially New York cops.</p><p>ennis Kyne put up such a fight at a political protest last summer, the arresting officer recalled, it took four police officers to haul him down the steps of the New York Public Library and across Fifth Avenue.</p><p>&quot;We picked him up and we carried him while he squirmed and screamed,&quot; the officer, Matthew Wohl, testified in December. &quot;I had one of his legs because he was kicking and refusing to walk on his own.&quot;</p><p>Advertisement</p><p>Accused of inciting a riot and resisting arrest, Mr. Kyne was the first of the 1,806 people arrested in New York last summer during the Republican National Convention to take his case to a jury. But one day after Officer Wohl testified, and before the defense called a single witness, the prosecutor abruptly dropped all charges.</p><p>During a recess, the defense had brought new information to the prosecutor. A videotape shot by a documentary filmmaker showed Mr. Kyne agitated but plainly walking under his own power down the library steps, contradicting the vivid account of Officer Wohl, who was nowhere to be seen in the pictures. Nor was the officer seen taking part in the arrests of four other people at the library against whom he signed complaints.</p><p>A sprawling body of visual evidence, made possible by inexpensive, lightweight cameras in the hands of private citizens, volunteer observers and the police themselves, has shifted the debate over precisely what happened on the streets during the week of the convention.</p><p>For Mr. Kyne and 400 others arrested that week, video recordings provided evidence that they had not committed a crime or that the charges against them could not be proved, according to defense lawyers and prosecutors.</p><p>Among them was Alexander Dunlop, who said he was arrested while going to pick up sushi.</p><p>Last week, he discovered that there were two versions of the same police tape: the one that was to be used as evidence in his trial had been edited at two spots, removing images that showed Mr. Dunlop behaving peacefully. When a volunteer film archivist found a more complete version of the tape and gave it to Mr. Dunlop&#039;s lawyer, prosecutors immediately dropped the charges and said that a technician had cut the material by mistake.</p><p> <a
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/12/nyregion/12video.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/12/nyregion/12vide" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/12/nyregion/12vide</a>&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brainster</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/04/25/german-talis-troofer-veracity-and-a-lesson-on-law-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-645254</link> <dc:creator>Brainster</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:24:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4418#comment-645254</guid> <description>It is possible that the actual arrest is for assaulting the father; some of the accounts have talked about him having a split lip. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible that the actual arrest is for assaulting the father; some of the accounts have talked about him having a split lip.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: suek</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/04/25/german-talis-troofer-veracity-and-a-lesson-on-law-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-645252</link> <dc:creator>suek</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:20:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4418#comment-645252</guid> <description>Someone pointed out on another blog somewhere else that Mrs.Bush and Jenna probably had Secret Service protection.  Just guessing here, but it&#039;s also pretty probable that there is security tape as well.
Should be interesting...! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone pointed out on another blog somewhere else that Mrs.Bush and Jenna probably had Secret Service protection.  Just guessing here, but it&#039;s also pretty probable that there is security tape as well.</p><p>Should be interesting&#8230;!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/04/25/german-talis-troofer-veracity-and-a-lesson-on-law-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-645228</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:35:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4418#comment-645228</guid> <description>Warren, I have not, in nearly twenty years, seen someone charged with Resisting who didn&#039;t physically struggle against the arrest. I admit I&#039;ve not seen every arrest made by the officers with whom I&#039;ve worked, but I&#039;ve seen dozens and dozens of folks charged with that, and none of them got it just for arguing.
If you make a PIA out of yourself in public, there&#039;s Disorderly Conduct to handle that. Resisting is for physical resistance.
Joey - Nice. Any chance those couple of brain cells might collide for a substantive response, or can I just chalk up another win over an idiot Troofer? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren, I have not, in nearly twenty years, seen someone charged with Resisting who didn&#039;t physically struggle against the arrest. I admit I&#039;ve not seen every arrest made by the officers with whom I&#039;ve worked, but I&#039;ve seen dozens and dozens of folks charged with that, and none of them got it just for arguing.</p><p>If you make a PIA out of yourself in public, there&#039;s Disorderly Conduct to handle that. Resisting is for physical resistance.</p><p>Joey &#8211; Nice. Any chance those couple of brain cells might collide for a substantive response, or can I just chalk up another win over an idiot Troofer?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Warren</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/04/25/german-talis-troofer-veracity-and-a-lesson-on-law-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-645227</link> <dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:32:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4418#comment-645227</guid> <description>Resisting Arrest does not have anything to do with &#039;fighting&#039; an arresting officer, it merely means he did not want to go and may have argued or made a PIA of himself, that constitutes resistance, it could be verbal, it could be token resistance to handcuffing, etc. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Resisting Arrest does not have anything to do with &#039;fighting&#039; an arresting officer, it merely means he did not want to go and may have argued or made a PIA of himself, that constitutes resistance, it could be verbal, it could be token resistance to handcuffing, etc.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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