Comments on: Obama’s Big Racism Speech. http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/03/18/obamas-big-racism-speech/ Delivering the Best of the New Media Since 2004. Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:08:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jimmie http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/03/18/obamas-big-racism-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-693932 Jimmie Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:38:54 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4211#comment-693932 Ah, "you people". Remember the days when saying that was de facto proof of racism? Good times. Good times. Ah, "you people". Remember the days when saying that was de facto proof of racism? Good times. Good times.

]]> By: Dann http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/03/18/obamas-big-racism-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-693929 Dann Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:03:25 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4211#comment-693929 You people will be the demise of our nation. Hard to be racist when your parents two races and Jimmie is full of shit. You people will be the demise of our nation. Hard to be racist when your parents two races and Jimmie is full of shit.

]]> By: neutral http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/03/18/obamas-big-racism-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-688675 neutral Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:49:40 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4211#comment-688675 what this boils down to is BS. but its all understandable. obama is using the race card not as a race card but as a means to get people motivated. but i'm not saying that that is the right thing to do. obama has shown us that the only thing he is capable of is using racism to stir up the people. if he was confident as a president, he would be able to not only stir the people of america but do it without always resorting to racism. in every speech he talks about "hope" and "peace" for our future. even if it is only in undertones obama needs to stop! what this boils down to is BS. but its all understandable. obama is using the race card not as a race card but as a means to get people motivated. but i'm not saying that that is the right thing to do. obama has shown us that the only thing he is capable of is using racism to stir up the people. if he was confident as a president, he would be able to not only stir the people of america but do it without always resorting to racism. in every speech he talks about "hope" and "peace" for our future. even if it is only in undertones obama needs to stop!

]]> By: spoots http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/03/18/obamas-big-racism-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-634787 spoots Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:52:54 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4211#comment-634787 Lori: "What I fear is that he thinks Americans, more specifically, white people in America, are the cause of all suffering of people of color." If you've paid even the slightest attention to what Obama himself has said, you would not fear such a thing. You cannot be serious. In fact, I *know* none of you are actually serious about this stuff, so I don't know why I'm even bothering to rebut you. Oh, wait, yes, I do: y'all are just striving to induce a knee-jerk reaction-- Pavlov rings bell, dog drools-- among the more weak-minded of the electorate, as usual, and your cynicism disgusts me. "there is no reason to believe he would defend us as President" There is every effing reason to believe he will. Though I myself might make a few exceptions for snozzbags like you, he would not. "What is he going to do when Al Qaeda or Iran hits us again & says it is because Americans are bad people?" He's gonna kick their ass, of course. "Is he just going to give another speech to white Americans telling us we deserve it because of our nasty history?" Rev. Wright isn't the one running for president. Obama has never given any such speech. "How is he going to handle Israel? (oops, sorry for using a dirty word!)" Why is Israel a dirty word? I never said it was and do not think so. Why don't you look into these things?! Here's the conservative NY Sun's 1/9/08 editorial about this very question. Read it all. Then STFU. <a href="http://www.nysun.com/article/69154" rel="nofollow">http://www.nysun.com/article/69154</a> <blockquote>We're no shills for Mr. Obama, but these Republicans haven't checked their facts. At least by our lights, Mr. Obama's commitment to Israel, as he has articulated it so far in his campaign, is quite moving and a tribute to the broad, bipartisan support that the Jewish state has in America. ... Mr. Obama spoke of "a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy." Quoth he: "That will always be my starting point." Mr. Obama spoke of the threat of Iran. ... "Neither Israel nor the United States has the luxury of dismissing these outrages [from Ahmajinadingdong] as mere rhetoric." ... Obama added: "We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs. This would help Israel maintain its military edge and deter and repel attacks from as far as Tehran and as close as Gaza."</blockquote> Lori: "What I fear is that he thinks Americans, more specifically, white people in America, are the cause of all suffering of people of color."

If you've paid even the slightest attention to what Obama himself has said, you would not fear such a thing. You cannot be serious. In fact, I *know* none of you are actually serious about this stuff, so I don't know why I'm even bothering to rebut you. Oh, wait, yes, I do: y'all are just striving to induce a knee-jerk reaction– Pavlov rings bell, dog drools– among the more weak-minded of the electorate, as usual, and your cynicism disgusts me.

"there is no reason to believe he would defend us as President"

There is every effing reason to believe he will. Though I myself might make a few exceptions for snozzbags like you, he would not.

"What is he going to do when Al Qaeda or Iran hits us again & says it is because Americans are bad people?"

He's gonna kick their ass, of course.

"Is he just going to give another speech to white Americans telling us we deserve it because of our nasty history?"

Rev. Wright isn't the one running for president. Obama has never given any such speech.

"How is he going to handle Israel? (oops, sorry for using a dirty word!)"

Why is Israel a dirty word? I never said it was and do not think so. Why don't you look into these things?! Here's the conservative NY Sun's 1/9/08 editorial about this very question. Read it all. Then STFU.
http://www.nysun.com/article/69154

We're no shills for Mr. Obama, but these Republicans haven't checked their facts. At least by our lights, Mr. Obama's commitment to Israel, as he has articulated it so far in his campaign, is quite moving and a tribute to the broad, bipartisan support that the Jewish state has in America.

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Mr. Obama spoke of "a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy." Quoth he: "That will always be my starting point." Mr. Obama spoke of the threat of Iran.

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"Neither Israel nor the United States has the luxury of dismissing these outrages [from Ahmajinadingdong] as mere rhetoric."

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Obama added: "We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs. This would help Israel maintain its military edge and deter and repel attacks from as far as Tehran and as close as Gaza."

]]> By: Lori http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/03/18/obamas-big-racism-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-634503 Lori Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:09:47 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4211#comment-634503 Spoots - Don't know about Jimmie, but I don't fear that Obama is a racist. What I fear is that he thinks Americans, more specifically, white people in America, are the cause of all suffering of people of color. If he really believes these things his pastor said were wrong, the time to stand up and fight against such bigotry was prior to his running for POTUS. Since he didn't, there is no reason to believe he would defend us as President. What is he going to do when Al Qaeda or Iran hits us again & says it is because Americans are bad people? Is he just going to give another speech to white Americans telling us we deserve it because of our nasty history? Is he going to just explain to us that it is their culture to be so bitter because a long time ago some people treated them bad? How is he going to handle Israel? (oops, sorry for using a dirty word!) Is anti-war Obama going to let the Muslims (who completely surround tiny Isr**l, our ally) bomb the Jews out of existence? Because that is their plan you know....to annihilate the Jews. Spoots – Don't know about Jimmie, but I don't fear that Obama is a racist. What I fear is that he thinks Americans, more specifically, white people in America, are the cause of all suffering of people of color.

If he really believes these things his pastor said were wrong, the time to stand up and fight against such bigotry was prior to his running for POTUS. Since he didn't, there is no reason to believe he would defend us as President.

What is he going to do when Al Qaeda or Iran hits us again & says it is because Americans are bad people? Is he just going to give another speech to white Americans telling us we deserve it because of our nasty history? Is he going to just explain to us that it is their culture to be so bitter because a long time ago some people treated them bad?

How is he going to handle Israel? (oops, sorry for using a dirty word!) Is anti-war Obama going to let the Muslims (who completely surround tiny Isr**l, our ally) bomb the Jews out of existence? Because that is their plan you know….to annihilate the Jews.

]]> By: spoots http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/03/18/obamas-big-racism-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-634480 spoots Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:13:17 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4211#comment-634480 J: "He [Obama] preaches a message of inclusion in his campaign but personally embraces a message of exclusion and hate." Oh, does he really now? That's why I asked you if you consider him a racist above, which is what you seem to fear. So, you truly do, huh? What words or actions on Obama's own part can you honestly point to that support this phobia? Do you think he would try to institute anti-white measures as president? J: "He [Obama] preaches a message of inclusion in his campaign but personally embraces a message of exclusion and hate."

Oh, does he really now? That's why I asked you if you consider him a racist above, which is what you seem to fear. So, you truly do, huh? What words or actions on Obama's own part can you honestly point to that support this phobia? Do you think he would try to institute anti-white measures as president?

]]> By: Jimmie http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/03/18/obamas-big-racism-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-634469 Jimmie Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:20:07 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4211#comment-634469 Kay, show me where there's been a single substantive debate that outlines any serious difference between the candidates on the Democratic side. What are their differences on health care, the economy, taxes? There really aren't any. They both favor massive government spending and new government programs. Well, we know those fail horribly and we've not seen a single government program since the 1960s that's solved a single problem it's sought to solve. So, really, all I have to discuss are the superficial issues because that's all the candidates have given me. Obama's position on race in important because he's made it important. He preaches a message of inclusion in his campaign but personally embraces a message of exclusion and hate. And then he lies about it when it's found out. But if you think I hang on Clinton's comments, you've not read more than one post on this blog. You're going to have to do better than that in order to really critique what I've said about all the candidates this election season. Kay, show me where there's been a single substantive debate that outlines any serious difference between the candidates on the Democratic side. What are their differences on health care, the economy, taxes? There really aren't any. They both favor massive government spending and new government programs. Well, we know those fail horribly and we've not seen a single government program since the 1960s that's solved a single problem it's sought to solve. So, really, all I have to discuss are the superficial issues because that's all the candidates have given me.

Obama's position on race in important because he's made it important. He preaches a message of inclusion in his campaign but personally embraces a message of exclusion and hate. And then he lies about it when it's found out.

But if you think I hang on Clinton's comments, you've not read more than one post on this blog. You're going to have to do better than that in order to really critique what I've said about all the candidates this election season.

]]> By: Kay http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/03/18/obamas-big-racism-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-634466 Kay Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:13:13 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4211#comment-634466 Jimmie, contrary to your comments, we are capable of engaging our brains in a political discussion. As soon as you have one we are interested in hearing it. But going on and on about Obamas racism speech is not politics. You all who say he has no substance do not even see that your takes against him hold no substance. Bring out concrete points where he and Clinton differ. List the things Clinton achieved in office and show what his opposing position on these issues were. I think when you try to have a discussion based on substance you will find that when it came down to it they were in the same party and voting very similarly. In addition, each performed for their community. I try not to get blinded by the smoke and mirrors candidates put up - remember they are lawyers and one thing we lawyers do is take classes that teach us how to perform. Keep that in your mind when you hang on Clintons comments. But in the end Clinton will probably take office so relax you will be happy. I am greatful for this journey - it has made me think seriously about candidates. Before they were all the same on the surface. This has forced me to look beyond and seek the details. Relax - all the corruption they can muster will put her in office. So don't pop a blood vessel. Jimmie, contrary to your comments, we are capable of engaging our brains in a political discussion. As soon as you have one we are interested in hearing it. But going on and on about Obamas racism speech is not politics. You all who say he has no substance do not even see that your takes against him hold no substance. Bring out concrete points where he and Clinton differ. List the things Clinton achieved in office and show what his opposing position on these issues were. I think when you try to have a discussion based on substance you will find that when it came down to it they were in the same party and voting very similarly. In addition, each performed for their community. I try not to get blinded by the smoke and mirrors candidates put up – remember they are lawyers and one thing we lawyers do is take classes that teach us how to perform. Keep that in your mind when you hang on Clintons comments. But in the end Clinton will probably take office so relax you will be happy. I am greatful for this journey – it has made me think seriously about candidates. Before they were all the same on the surface. This has forced me to look beyond and seek the details. Relax – all the corruption they can muster will put her in office. So don't pop a blood vessel.

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