Comments on: CNN Tells Anchors Be Nice to Fidel http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/02/20/cnn-tells-anchors-be-nice-to-fidel/ Delivering the Best of the New Media Since 2004. Thu, 24 May 2012 03:48:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jimmiehttp://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/02/20/cnn-tells-anchors-be-nice-to-fidel/comment-page-1/#comment-621643 Jimmie Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:12:05 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4078#comment-621643 Tom - You need to have a sense of history before you have a sense of perspective. I suggest you get the former. The latter will take care of itself. Tom – You need to have a sense of history before you have a sense of perspective. I suggest you get the former. The latter will take care of itself.

]]> By: Tom Ritchfordhttp://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/02/20/cnn-tells-anchors-be-nice-to-fidel/comment-page-1/#comment-621572 Tom Ritchford Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:09:10 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4078#comment-621572 I agree that Castro was responsible for the deaths of thousands. But Bush has been responsible for the deaths of HUNDREDS of thousands. Get a sense of perspective! I agree that Castro was responsible for the deaths of thousands. But Bush has been responsible for the deaths of HUNDREDS of thousands. Get a sense of perspective!

]]> By: Jimmiehttp://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/02/20/cnn-tells-anchors-be-nice-to-fidel/comment-page-1/#comment-620978 Jimmie Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:24:31 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4078#comment-620978 Thank you for yours, Joe. Of course the "what if" game can be played as far as we want to play it. How many more Iraqis would have died thanks to the "Oil for Food" bribery scam? How many would have died once Hussein fully reconstituted his WMD programs once the sanctions were lifted (thanks, again, to the "Oil for Food" scam)? It impossible to know the answer. I am confident that a healthy, democratic Iraq will cause much less death than what had been there before. I think that is well borne-out in the history of democratic states (and their tyrannical counterparts). Thank you for yours, Joe.

Of course the "what if" game can be played as far as we want to play it. How many more Iraqis would have died thanks to the "Oil for Food" bribery scam? How many would have died once Hussein fully reconstituted his WMD programs once the sanctions were lifted (thanks, again, to the "Oil for Food" scam)?

It impossible to know the answer. I am confident that a healthy, democratic Iraq will cause much less death than what had been there before. I think that is well borne-out in the history of democratic states (and their tyrannical counterparts).

]]> By: Joe Milhowskihttp://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/02/20/cnn-tells-anchors-be-nice-to-fidel/comment-page-1/#comment-620966 Joe Milhowski Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:48:30 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4078#comment-620966 You are correct. How do you determine how many people have died from clashing Islamist groups? The thing you have to ask yourself, would these people have died if the U.S. did not invade Iraq? I would say probably not. So we are indirectly the cause, though you might call that a stretch. We should not have gone there. A preemptive war sets a very dangerous precedence. We continue to look like the bad guy around the world. Sad thing is this is not the first time. I hope that it is the last. Thanks for the your opinion and info. You are correct. How do you determine how many people have died from clashing Islamist groups? The thing you have to ask yourself, would these people have died if the U.S. did not invade Iraq? I would say probably not. So we are indirectly the cause, though you might call that a stretch. We should not have gone there. A preemptive war sets a very dangerous precedence. We continue to look like the bad guy around the world. Sad thing is this is not the first time. I hope that it is the last.

Thanks for the your opinion and info.

]]> By: Jimmiehttp://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/02/20/cnn-tells-anchors-be-nice-to-fidel/comment-page-1/#comment-620877 Jimmie Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:56:40 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4078#comment-620877 Joe - The numbers are hard to come by and they involve a few judgment calls that I think are generally made to the detriment of the US. For example, it is assumed that Iraqis killed by Islamists with car bombs or what-have-you are laid at the feet of the US. That is not necessarily true. It is just as likely that had the US gone in, toppled Hussein and left immediately that the body count would be even higher. We have a lot of instances of US soldiers going out of their way not only to not harm or engage in areas where there are civilians (to their detriment) but also of soldiers putting themselves in greater danger to protect Iraqis. It's not unreasonable to assume that an Iraq <em>sans</em> Hussein and without a reasonably stable government in formation would have led to many more Iraqis killed as various Islamist groups fought it out for supremacy. The internecine bloodletting would have likely been much worse also without us standing between the groups. Joe – The numbers are hard to come by and they involve a few judgment calls that I think are generally made to the detriment of the US. For example, it is assumed that Iraqis killed by Islamists with car bombs or what-have-you are laid at the feet of the US. That is not necessarily true. It is just as likely that had the US gone in, toppled Hussein and left immediately that the body count would be even higher. We have a lot of instances of US soldiers going out of their way not only to not harm or engage in areas where there are civilians (to their detriment) but also of soldiers putting themselves in greater danger to protect Iraqis.

It's not unreasonable to assume that an Iraq sans Hussein and without a reasonably stable government in formation would have led to many more Iraqis killed as various Islamist groups fought it out for supremacy. The internecine bloodletting would have likely been much worse also without us standing between the groups.

]]> By: Joe Milhowskihttp://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/02/20/cnn-tells-anchors-be-nice-to-fidel/comment-page-1/#comment-620828 Joe Milhowski Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:11:08 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4078#comment-620828 It was not Jimmie's initial opinion that I disagreed with. I believe whole heartedly that CNN should state the facts about what Castro is and what he has done. The news should not be censored in any way. Jimmie's response to the first comment by Robert in BA should have been: "yah, so what? I agree, but that has nothing to do with my opinion about the treatment of Castro by CNN." Robert went a little off-topic and was attacked for it. I don't think what I wrote about the number of Iraq civilians killed is that far off base. Thank you Jimmie for your link. I found a few links of my own which I looked at: <a href="http://www.iraqbodycount.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.iraqbodycount.org/</a> and also I looked it up the topic Casualties of the Iraq War at Wikipedia. The count is 80,419 to 87,834. I have know idea if the numbers are being fudged or not. I will leave that up to Jimmie to determine. I think people's opinions that the U.S. government is just as bad as the dictators it tries to oust could be considered a fair assessment. Remember that this goes way beyond our current war. Again, based on Jimmie's initial opinion I believe that he is correct. It was not Jimmie's initial opinion that I disagreed with. I believe whole heartedly that CNN should state the facts about what Castro is and what he has done. The news should not be censored in any way. Jimmie's response to the first comment by Robert in BA should have been: "yah, so what? I agree, but that has nothing to do with my opinion about the treatment of Castro by CNN." Robert went a little off-topic and was attacked for it. I don't think what I wrote about the number of Iraq civilians killed is that far off base. Thank you Jimmie for your link. I found a few links of my own which I looked at: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and also I looked it up the topic Casualties of the Iraq War at Wikipedia. The count is 80,419 to 87,834. I have know idea if the numbers are being fudged or not. I will leave that up to Jimmie to determine. I think people's opinions that the U.S. government is just as bad as the dictators it tries to oust could be considered a fair assessment. Remember that this goes way beyond our current war. Again, based on Jimmie's initial opinion I believe that he is correct.

]]> By: Robert in BAhttp://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/02/20/cnn-tells-anchors-be-nice-to-fidel/comment-page-1/#comment-620818 Robert in BA Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:15:09 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4078#comment-620818 jimmie, Laugh away clown-boy. We see right through your BS. In fact, you're in bed with a President who dreams of being a dictator (and has the signing statements to prove it). jimmie,

Laugh away clown-boy.

We see right through your BS.

In fact, you're in bed with a President who dreams of being a dictator (and has the signing statements to prove it).

]]> By: Randhttp://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/02/20/cnn-tells-anchors-be-nice-to-fidel/comment-page-1/#comment-620793 Rand Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:00:00 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4078#comment-620793 It's too bad we haven't had any Conservative Presidents in the last 50 years to take Fidel out! It's too bad we haven't had any Conservative Presidents in the last 50 years to take Fidel out!

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