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> <channel><title>Comments on: &#8216;Twas The Day After Christmas, And Gloom&#8217;s On The Plate</title> <atom:link href="http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/25/twas-the-day-after-christmas-and-glooms-on-the-plate/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/25/twas-the-day-after-christmas-and-glooms-on-the-plate/</link> <description>Delivering the Best of the New Media Since 2004.</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 03:48:35 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: fester</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/25/twas-the-day-after-christmas-and-glooms-on-the-plate/comment-page-1/#comment-602255</link> <dc:creator>fester</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:40:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3816#comment-602255</guid> <description>Jim -- on &quot;&lt;i&gt;Oh no doubt. Internet sales really are growing more quickly than I think either or us think, or the conventional methods can even reckon at this point&quot;&lt;/i&gt; I think you&#039;re wrong here as the following are means of payment on internet purchases:
PayPal or paypal like services (very trackable)
Bank Drafts/Electronic checks (very trackable)
Credit/Debit Cards (easily trackable and included in this dataset)
Cash is the pain in the ass residual in figuring out overt white market spending patterns as cash is what fuels the gray and black markets both on income (working under the table) and expenditures
As far as Safeway selling non-grocery items, in this dataset it is irrelevant whether you bought white onions or a replica Voltron lunchbox at Safeway, Mastercard is just seeing the dollar figure --- in other reporting such as the BEA retail sales report, you can compensate for it, but it is a little bit tougher. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8212; on &quot;<i>Oh no doubt. Internet sales really are growing more quickly than I think either or us think, or the conventional methods can even reckon at this point&quot;</i> I think you&#039;re wrong here as the following are means of payment on internet purchases:</p><p>PayPal or paypal like services (very trackable)</p><p>Bank Drafts/Electronic checks (very trackable)</p><p>Credit/Debit Cards (easily trackable and included in this dataset)</p><p>Cash is the pain in the ass residual in figuring out overt white market spending patterns as cash is what fuels the gray and black markets both on income (working under the table) and expenditures</p><p>As far as Safeway selling non-grocery items, in this dataset it is irrelevant whether you bought white onions or a replica Voltron lunchbox at Safeway, Mastercard is just seeing the dollar figure &#8212; in other reporting such as the BEA retail sales report, you can compensate for it, but it is a little bit tougher.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/25/twas-the-day-after-christmas-and-glooms-on-the-plate/comment-page-1/#comment-602174</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:13:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3816#comment-602174</guid> <description>Oh no doubt. Internet sales really are growing more quickly than I think either or us think, or the conventional methods can even reckon at this point.
I wonder about places like Safeway that are getting more into the Christmas sales market (and even the non-grocery markets). How large a slice of the sale are they likely to carve out for themselves and will the conventional means of tracking consumer spending account for the non-grocery stuff bought in grocery stores? I mean, that $52,000 number is not necessarily a tiny number. If other stores have done even close to that in the general area, that&#039;s an appreciable amount. If those sales are cash sales (which mine were, for instance), it&#039;s worth keeping in mind.
Good point about the accrual accounting as well. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no doubt. Internet sales really are growing more quickly than I think either or us think, or the conventional methods can even reckon at this point.</p><p>I wonder about places like Safeway that are getting more into the Christmas sales market (and even the non-grocery markets). How large a slice of the sale are they likely to carve out for themselves and will the conventional means of tracking consumer spending account for the non-grocery stuff bought in grocery stores? I mean, that $52,000 number is not necessarily a tiny number. If other stores have done even close to that in the general area, that&#039;s an appreciable amount. If those sales are cash sales (which mine were, for instance), it&#039;s worth keeping in mind.</p><p>Good point about the accrual accounting as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: fester</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/25/twas-the-day-after-christmas-and-glooms-on-the-plate/comment-page-1/#comment-602137</link> <dc:creator>fester</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:11:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3816#comment-602137</guid> <description>Jimmie --- on your last point, I agree with you that internet shopping is a growing business segment, I have no dispute with you there; personally I did at least half of my dollar volume there this year, but compared to bricks and mortar, it is still a niche within the larger universe of retail.  I think we both agree in 10 years that this discussion will be very different, but we are not there yet. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmie &#8212; on your last point, I agree with you that internet shopping is a growing business segment, I have no dispute with you there; personally I did at least half of my dollar volume there this year, but compared to bricks and mortar, it is still a niche within the larger universe of retail.  I think we both agree in 10 years that this discussion will be very different, but we are not there yet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: fester</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/25/twas-the-day-after-christmas-and-glooms-on-the-plate/comment-page-1/#comment-602135</link> <dc:creator>fester</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:06:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3816#comment-602135</guid> <description>If you paid for your three gift cards at Safeway with a MasterCard affiliated card (debit or credit) it is in the data set that is being discussed above.
The point of confusion is when Wal-Mart or Saks 5th Avenue is allowed to book the gift card as a sale.  Right now you buying a hypothetical $100 gift card on say Dec. 15th to give on Dec. 25th and not spent until Jan. 11, 2008 for instance means that the gift card issuer has a liability of $100 on Dec. 26, 2007, and can only book the revenue of $100 on Jan. 11.  Different set of accounting rules, as the Mastercard data set seems to be reasonably simple cash accounting while the retailers have to use accrual accounting for the giftcards. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you paid for your three gift cards at Safeway with a MasterCard affiliated card (debit or credit) it is in the data set that is being discussed above.</p><p>The point of confusion is when Wal-Mart or Saks 5th Avenue is allowed to book the gift card as a sale.  Right now you buying a hypothetical $100 gift card on say Dec. 15th to give on Dec. 25th and not spent until Jan. 11, 2008 for instance means that the gift card issuer has a liability of $100 on Dec. 26, 2007, and can only book the revenue of $100 on Jan. 11.  Different set of accounting rules, as the Mastercard data set seems to be reasonably simple cash accounting while the retailers have to use accrual accounting for the giftcards.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/25/twas-the-day-after-christmas-and-glooms-on-the-plate/comment-page-1/#comment-602104</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:27:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3816#comment-602104</guid> <description>fester, I&#039;m not sure that covers gift cards purchased in the way I described.
And please. I understand that anecdote is not data. I would not have mentioned it if my experience were unusual. It certainly is not. I am far from the only person who has done much of my shopping online. One of my co-workers who had not ever made a purchase on the internet until this year did a good bit of her shopping on the internet also, according to her. Her story is fairly typical of he stories I&#039;ve heard this year.
One anecdote is not data. Many anecdotes should at least make you consider which way the anecdotes are running. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fester, I&#039;m not sure that covers gift cards purchased in the way I described.</p><p>And please. I understand that anecdote is not data. I would not have mentioned it if my experience were unusual. It certainly is not. I am far from the only person who has done much of my shopping online. One of my co-workers who had not ever made a purchase on the internet until this year did a good bit of her shopping on the internet also, according to her. Her story is fairly typical of he stories I&#039;ve heard this year.</p><p>One anecdote is not data. Many anecdotes should at least make you consider which way the anecdotes are running.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Starscream</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/25/twas-the-day-after-christmas-and-glooms-on-the-plate/comment-page-1/#comment-601981</link> <dc:creator>Starscream</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:48:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3816#comment-601981</guid> <description>The 22% increase in online shopping is factored in to the 3.6% growth figure - it&#039;s not &quot;good news&quot; or &quot;bad news&quot;, simply a shift in spending patterns.
But hey, it&#039;s a big number, and it&#039;s halfway through the article, ergo...liberal media bias! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 22% increase in online shopping is factored in to the 3.6% growth figure &#8211; it&#039;s not &quot;good news&quot; or &quot;bad news&quot;, simply a shift in spending patterns.</p><p>But hey, it&#039;s a big number, and it&#039;s halfway through the article, ergo&#8230;liberal media bias!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: fester</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/25/twas-the-day-after-christmas-and-glooms-on-the-plate/comment-page-1/#comment-601973</link> <dc:creator>fester</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:39:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3816#comment-601973</guid> <description>Jimmie --- take a look at what &lt;a href=&quot;http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2007/12/holiday-spendin.html#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Barry Ritzholtz&lt;/a&gt; is saying about the retail sales data that you claim is being spun as by negative natabobs; most of your objections have been accounted for:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;This sales data also includes Food &amp; Energy. The 3.6% is before we make adjustments for inflation. The specifics of MasterCard&#8217;s data includes purchases made by more than 300 million MasterCard debit and credit card users; it covers not &lt;b&gt;just store purchases, internet buys and gift cards: It also includes gasoline and meals at restaurants,&lt;/b&gt; both of which had seen significant price increases this year. &lt;/i&gt;
Next remember that you as a blogger are a little bit unusual in how much you use and how comfortable you are with technology and the internet.  Online sales is a small but rapidly growing segment, it is not the dominant segment that walking into a store, looking at three different shirt styles and waiting in line for eight minutes at the register is.  Anectdote is not data. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmie &#8212; take a look at what <a
href="http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2007/12/holiday-spendin.html#comments" rel="nofollow">Barry Ritzholtz</a> is saying about the retail sales data that you claim is being spun as by negative natabobs; most of your objections have been accounted for:</p><p><i>&quot;This sales data also includes Food &amp; Energy. The 3.6% is before we make adjustments for inflation. The specifics of MasterCard&rsquo;s data includes purchases made by more than 300 million MasterCard debit and credit card users; it covers not <b>just store purchases, internet buys and gift cards: It also includes gasoline and meals at restaurants,</b> both of which had seen significant price increases this year. </i></p><p>Next remember that you as a blogger are a little bit unusual in how much you use and how comfortable you are with technology and the internet.  Online sales is a small but rapidly growing segment, it is not the dominant segment that walking into a store, looking at three different shirt styles and waiting in line for eight minutes at the register is.  Anectdote is not data.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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