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> <channel><title>Comments on: Gambling on the Good Word of a Tyrant *Updated and Bumped*</title> <atom:link href="http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/04/gambling-on-the-good-word-of-a-tyrant/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/04/gambling-on-the-good-word-of-a-tyrant/</link> <description>Delivering the Best of the New Media Since 2004.</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 22:10:31 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: Chris</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/04/gambling-on-the-good-word-of-a-tyrant/comment-page-1/#comment-595814</link> <dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 08:44:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3686#comment-595814</guid> <description>&gt; Look, just where the hell are those Iraq WMD&#8217;s? That was the whole rationale for the invasion, remember? We weren&#8217;t told that WMDs in Iran threatened us &#8212; We were told they were in Iraq. &#8220;They&#8217;re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north&#8221; &#8212; that&#8217;s what Rumsfeld told us and the world. That&#8217;s what this president used to scare the crap out of people and get them into that war.
Once again, we need to point back to the maturity of those posting such ill-informed trinkets of wisdom.  The fact of the matter is that French, U.K., and American intelligence prior to and during Bush 43&#039;s administration all concurred that Iraq had and was continuing to develop WMDs.  Equally important is the fact that the party whose kool-aid YOU ARE DRINKING also supported these conclusions before it became politically expedient to not do so.   Why else would Bill Clinton completely support the war in Iraq from the onset only to change course by recently claiming that he was against it from the beginning.  How short your memory is. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Look, just where the hell are those Iraq WMD&rsquo;s? That was the whole rationale for the invasion, remember? We weren&rsquo;t told that WMDs in Iran threatened us &mdash; We were told they were in Iraq. &ldquo;They&rsquo;re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north&rdquo; &mdash; that&rsquo;s what Rumsfeld told us and the world. That&rsquo;s what this president used to scare the crap out of people and get them into that war.</p><p>Once again, we need to point back to the maturity of those posting such ill-informed trinkets of wisdom.  The fact of the matter is that French, U.K., and American intelligence prior to and during Bush 43&#039;s administration all concurred that Iraq had and was continuing to develop WMDs.  Equally important is the fact that the party whose kool-aid YOU ARE DRINKING also supported these conclusions before it became politically expedient to not do so.   Why else would Bill Clinton completely support the war in Iraq from the onset only to change course by recently claiming that he was against it from the beginning.  How short your memory is.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: binz</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/04/gambling-on-the-good-word-of-a-tyrant/comment-page-1/#comment-591366</link> <dc:creator>binz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:08:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3686#comment-591366</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No President nor anyone who has ever run for President in my lifetime would ever simply throw away the lives of thousands of human beings simply to fulfill some sort of inchoately described bloodlust. Never.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I thought this was a parody, then I realized you are actually serious.
Look, just where the hell are those Iraq WMD&#039;s? That was the whole rationale for the invasion, remember? We weren&#039;t told that WMDs in Iran threatened us -- We were told they were in Iraq. &quot;They&#039;re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north&quot; -- that&#039;s what Rumsfeld told us and the world. That&#039;s what this president used to scare the crap out of people and get them into that war.
This president told us again and again that Saddam was up to his mustache in the 9/11 attacks. And the vice-president still does. And this was a lie, too. As were all this administration&#039;s claims for the war.
If that&#039;s not bloodlust, then you need to explain what in fact it is that we&#039;re seeing. It sure as hell isn&#039;t national security -- don&#039;t even say Saddam had something to do with 9/11.
No, you credulous person, this president has thrown away &lt;i&gt;hundreds of thousands&lt;/i&gt; of lives for either no good purpose or a purpose he keeps hidden. This administration makes up new lies as the old lies are exposed.
Bloodlust isn&#039;t the only monstrous no-good reason for war. There&#039;s oil, imperialism, domestic political hegemony, family vendetta, and an unlimited supply of arrogance, ignorance and stupidity to provide plenty of no-good despicable reasons as to why this president has already thrown away so many lives.
By the way, starting a war based &quot;what ifs&quot; -- on what &quot;might be&quot; -- is a war crime.  A pre-emptive war launched by lies with the underlying intent to remove a government and take their resources is surely so. Now that this NIE on Iran&#039;s years-old lack of nuclear capabilities has come out, the &#039;what ifs&#039; and &#039;might bes&#039; become either classic rightwing paranoia -- or a monstrous and dishonest agenda for more war.
Bloodlust is not necessary to make this president inhuman and monstrous. He&#039;s responsible for enough inhuman and monstrous things without it.
It takes a stunning amount of credulousness for anyone to think this same man would only go to war with Iran for just and legal reasons. You already are defending the idea of a pre-emptive war with Iran in spite of the lack of nuclear weapons. The &quot;utter and complete nonsense&quot; you mentioned can be found in your own thinking.
You say &quot;I have no interest in a President who would gamble our lives on the goodwill of a tyrant...&quot; I say only a fool continues to trust this president to do any gambling whatsoever with lives and national security.
This foolish president and you and others like you have already gambled on Iraq. And lost. That lost bet has already cost 30,000 American casualties, half a million dead Iraqi civilians, and a trillion dollars.
There never were any nuclear weapons there. But that didn&#039;t matter, just like it doesn&#039;t matter there&#039;s none in Iran. But this president still talks of war with Iran.
Is that bloodlust now or just more criminal stupidity?
It takes an amazing lack of critical thinking to come up with the assertion you made regarding presidents and war. But what I can&#039;t decide is whether you&#039;re naive or just the typical kool-aid drinkin&#039; deadender. Not that one must exclude the other... </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No President nor anyone who has ever run for President in my lifetime would ever simply throw away the lives of thousands of human beings simply to fulfill some sort of inchoately described bloodlust. Never.</p></blockquote><p>I thought this was a parody, then I realized you are actually serious.</p><p>Look, just where the hell are those Iraq WMD&#039;s? That was the whole rationale for the invasion, remember? We weren&#039;t told that WMDs in Iran threatened us &#8212; We were told they were in Iraq. &quot;They&#039;re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north&quot; &#8212; that&#039;s what Rumsfeld told us and the world. That&#039;s what this president used to scare the crap out of people and get them into that war.</p><p>This president told us again and again that Saddam was up to his mustache in the 9/11 attacks. And the vice-president still does. And this was a lie, too. As were all this administration&#039;s claims for the war.</p><p>If that&#039;s not bloodlust, then you need to explain what in fact it is that we&#039;re seeing. It sure as hell isn&#039;t national security &#8212; don&#039;t even say Saddam had something to do with 9/11.</p><p>No, you credulous person, this president has thrown away <i>hundreds of thousands</i> of lives for either no good purpose or a purpose he keeps hidden. This administration makes up new lies as the old lies are exposed.</p><p>Bloodlust isn&#039;t the only monstrous no-good reason for war. There&#039;s oil, imperialism, domestic political hegemony, family vendetta, and an unlimited supply of arrogance, ignorance and stupidity to provide plenty of no-good despicable reasons as to why this president has already thrown away so many lives.</p><p>By the way, starting a war based &quot;what ifs&quot; &#8212; on what &quot;might be&quot; &#8212; is a war crime.  A pre-emptive war launched by lies with the underlying intent to remove a government and take their resources is surely so. Now that this NIE on Iran&#039;s years-old lack of nuclear capabilities has come out, the &#039;what ifs&#039; and &#039;might bes&#039; become either classic rightwing paranoia &#8212; or a monstrous and dishonest agenda for more war.</p><p>Bloodlust is not necessary to make this president inhuman and monstrous. He&#039;s responsible for enough inhuman and monstrous things without it.</p><p>It takes a stunning amount of credulousness for anyone to think this same man would only go to war with Iran for just and legal reasons. You already are defending the idea of a pre-emptive war with Iran in spite of the lack of nuclear weapons. The &quot;utter and complete nonsense&quot; you mentioned can be found in your own thinking.</p><p>You say &quot;I have no interest in a President who would gamble our lives on the goodwill of a tyrant&#8230;&quot; I say only a fool continues to trust this president to do any gambling whatsoever with lives and national security.</p><p>This foolish president and you and others like you have already gambled on Iraq. And lost. That lost bet has already cost 30,000 American casualties, half a million dead Iraqi civilians, and a trillion dollars.</p><p>There never were any nuclear weapons there. But that didn&#039;t matter, just like it doesn&#039;t matter there&#039;s none in Iran. But this president still talks of war with Iran.</p><p>Is that bloodlust now or just more criminal stupidity?</p><p>It takes an amazing lack of critical thinking to come up with the assertion you made regarding presidents and war. But what I can&#039;t decide is whether you&#039;re naive or just the typical kool-aid drinkin&#039; deadender. Not that one must exclude the other&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/04/gambling-on-the-good-word-of-a-tyrant/comment-page-1/#comment-590864</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:21:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3686#comment-590864</guid> <description>On World War III, tell me this. What if Mad Mahmoud actually does develop nuclear weapons. And what if he does with them what he&#039;s done with every other man-portable weapon in his arsenal - give them to Hezbollah with instructions to use them against the infidels. Do you really doubt that a nuclear attack on Israel, or US personnel, or British personnel, or French personnel, or any other nation capable of responding to such a horrible attack in kind wouldn&#039;t escalate the hot war of voices into a hot war of nuclear explosions? Are you really willing to risk that many lives on a guess, which is the very best you could do at this point? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On World War III, tell me this. What if Mad Mahmoud actually does develop nuclear weapons. And what if he does with them what he&#039;s done with every other man-portable weapon in his arsenal &#8211; give them to Hezbollah with instructions to use them against the infidels. Do you really doubt that a nuclear attack on Israel, or US personnel, or British personnel, or French personnel, or any other nation capable of responding to such a horrible attack in kind wouldn&#039;t escalate the hot war of voices into a hot war of nuclear explosions? Are you really willing to risk that many lives on a guess, which is the very best you could do at this point?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/04/gambling-on-the-good-word-of-a-tyrant/comment-page-1/#comment-590863</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:18:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3686#comment-590863</guid> <description>That might work if I were actually a Republican. I&#039;m not.
I am, however, a human being who refuses to believe that someone who could rise to the level of President in the most free and, indeed, progressive nation on the planet would seek to start a war for no better reason than to kill a few thousand people. I find such a notion either incredibly infantile or monstrous, depending on how much maturity I deem you to have.
It&#039;s your accusation. You back it up. Without the intellectually-vacant refuge of name-calling. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That might work if I were actually a Republican. I&#039;m not.</p><p>I am, however, a human being who refuses to believe that someone who could rise to the level of President in the most free and, indeed, progressive nation on the planet would seek to start a war for no better reason than to kill a few thousand people. I find such a notion either incredibly infantile or monstrous, depending on how much maturity I deem you to have.</p><p>It&#039;s your accusation. You back it up. Without the intellectually-vacant refuge of name-calling.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chuck Adkins</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/12/04/gambling-on-the-good-word-of-a-tyrant/comment-page-1/#comment-590861</link> <dc:creator>Chuck Adkins</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:31:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3686#comment-590861</guid> <description>Thanks for the link.
But...
&lt;blockquote&gt;that the President is just hell-bent on taking us to war with Iran, which is utter and complete nonsense. In order to hold that as true, you&#8217;d have to believe that George Bush is quite simply an inhuman monster who wants to engage in a hot war for no good reason at all. That&#8217;s not only a slander against the President, but an insult to our intelligences. No President nor anyone who has ever run for President in my lifetime would ever simply throw away the lives of thousands of human beings simply to fulfill some sort of inchoately described bloodlust. Never.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Spoken like a true Republican.
Think so? then explain the damn speeches talking about WW3, ya moron. :roll: </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link.</p><p>But&#8230;</p><blockquote><p>that the President is just hell-bent on taking us to war with Iran, which is utter and complete nonsense. In order to hold that as true, you&rsquo;d have to believe that George Bush is quite simply an inhuman monster who wants to engage in a hot war for no good reason at all. That&rsquo;s not only a slander against the President, but an insult to our intelligences. No President nor anyone who has ever run for President in my lifetime would ever simply throw away the lives of thousands of human beings simply to fulfill some sort of inchoately described bloodlust. Never.</p></blockquote><p>Spoken like a true Republican.</p><p>Think so? then explain the damn speeches talking about WW3, ya moron. <img
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