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> <channel><title>Comments on: It is a Lovely Religion of Peace You Have There, Sir. Now Please Put Down the Machete.</title> <atom:link href="http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/11/30/it-is-a-lovely-religion-of-peace-you-have-there-sir-now-please-put-down-the-machete/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/11/30/it-is-a-lovely-religion-of-peace-you-have-there-sir-now-please-put-down-the-machete/</link> <description>Delivering the Best of the New Media Since 2004.</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 22:10:31 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: qwerty21</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/11/30/it-is-a-lovely-religion-of-peace-you-have-there-sir-now-please-put-down-the-machete/comment-page-1/#comment-595856</link> <dc:creator>qwerty21</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:54:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3667#comment-595856</guid> <description>Well, those weren&#039;t radical Christians who flew airliners into the Trade Center. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, those weren&#039;t radical Christians who flew airliners into the Trade Center.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ibfamous</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/11/30/it-is-a-lovely-religion-of-peace-you-have-there-sir-now-please-put-down-the-machete/comment-page-1/#comment-590817</link> <dc:creator>ibfamous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:32:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3667#comment-590817</guid> <description>Jimmie - i hit the history books everyday, it&#039;s what i do. and yes many of the abolitionist were christians and they were a very small but very sincere lobby who were not advocating equal rights for all, just an end to slavery (while others in the religious community were using the old testiment to champion slavery). as for the civil rights, the vast majority of these christians you speak of were the african-americans themsleves. though many white religious leaders and followers did take to the streets, to state that the white christian community marched in force in support of civil rights is pure fantasy. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmie &#8211; i hit the history books everyday, it&#039;s what i do. and yes many of the abolitionist were christians and they were a very small but very sincere lobby who were not advocating equal rights for all, just an end to slavery (while others in the religious community were using the old testiment to champion slavery). as for the civil rights, the vast majority of these christians you speak of were the african-americans themsleves. though many white religious leaders and followers did take to the streets, to state that the white christian community marched in force in support of civil rights is pure fantasy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: upyernoz</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/11/30/it-is-a-lovely-religion-of-peace-you-have-there-sir-now-please-put-down-the-machete/comment-page-1/#comment-590676</link> <dc:creator>upyernoz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3667#comment-590676</guid> <description>&lt;i&gt;
and once again, have you been looking? you realize that most of the press in the muslim world is not in english.
i can read arabic, and i&#039;ve seen plenty of articles criticizing both the saudi and sudanese government over these recent cases. the point is there is a big uproar about these issues within the muslim world, you&#039;re just unable to see it because you don&#039;t read the right language.
the weird thing with the khartoum protest is that it was engineered by the sudanese government as a way to deflect attention from darfur--as the NYT reported almost everyone on the street were government employees who were instructed to attend. it&#039;s rightwing blogs like this one who have been played by the sudanese government.&lt;/i&gt; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i></p><p>and once again, have you been looking? you realize that most of the press in the muslim world is not in english.</p><p>i can read arabic, and i&#039;ve seen plenty of articles criticizing both the saudi and sudanese government over these recent cases. the point is there is a big uproar about these issues within the muslim world, you&#039;re just unable to see it because you don&#039;t read the right language.</p><p>the weird thing with the khartoum protest is that it was engineered by the sudanese government as a way to deflect attention from darfur&#8211;as the NYT reported almost everyone on the street were government employees who were instructed to attend. it&#039;s rightwing blogs like this one who have been played by the sudanese government.</i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: nannyloulou</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/11/30/it-is-a-lovely-religion-of-peace-you-have-there-sir-now-please-put-down-the-machete/comment-page-1/#comment-590564</link> <dc:creator>nannyloulou</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:07:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3667#comment-590564</guid> <description>Steve: &quot;But you avoided the question I asked. Where are all the civil liberties groups?&quot;
The &quot;N&quot; in NOW stands for &quot;National&quot; (i.e. throughout all the US states).  Many groups don&#039;t have international arms.  I tend to look to wider human rights groups like Amnesty Int&#039;l and Human Rights Watch, which have, indeed, been on the case for years. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: &quot;But you avoided the question I asked. Where are all the civil liberties groups?&quot;</p><p>The &quot;N&quot; in NOW stands for &quot;National&quot; (i.e. throughout all the US states).  Many groups don&#039;t have international arms.  I tend to look to wider human rights groups like Amnesty Int&#039;l and Human Rights Watch, which have, indeed, been on the case for years.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dirk in Cville</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/11/30/it-is-a-lovely-religion-of-peace-you-have-there-sir-now-please-put-down-the-machete/comment-page-1/#comment-590369</link> <dc:creator>Dirk in Cville</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:59:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3667#comment-590369</guid> <description>One follow-up link from today&#039;s news, life under Sharia isn&#039;t always as bad as you think.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/world/africa/01shariah.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/world/africa/01...&lt;/a&gt; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One follow-up link from today&#039;s news, life under Sharia isn&#039;t always as bad as you think.</p><p> <a
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/world/africa/01shariah.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow"></a><a
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/world/africa/01" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/world/africa/01</a>&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dirk in Cville</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/11/30/it-is-a-lovely-religion-of-peace-you-have-there-sir-now-please-put-down-the-machete/comment-page-1/#comment-590338</link> <dc:creator>Dirk in Cville</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:28:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3667#comment-590338</guid> <description>There are a couple motivations for us wanting to see less of radical Islam; one is for the prosperity of Islamic people, but the one that has led us to act is our national security. Concern for Islamic people isn&#039;t why I&#039;m commenting, it probably isn&#039;t what motivates you either.
I would also like to see a less authoritarian Islamic culture, for all of our sakes, but we disagree on tactics. I think condemnation of Islam is exactly what the fear-mongering Imams of the world want to hear from the United States.  Nothing will prop them up in the eyes of their followers more than the sense that they are locked in a life-or-death struggle with the U.S.
As evidence look at our President&#039;s poll numbers after September 11th. I&#039;m not condemning the President, just saying that almost everyone was behind him because he was representing us against attackers. We all appreciated that.
My sense is that donations to a technical education program in the Sudan would do far more to spurn economic growth, and hurt fear-mongering Imams, than every single American banding together to tell Sudanese Muslims that their religion is evil. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a couple motivations for us wanting to see less of radical Islam; one is for the prosperity of Islamic people, but the one that has led us to act is our national security. Concern for Islamic people isn&#039;t why I&#039;m commenting, it probably isn&#039;t what motivates you either.</p><p>I would also like to see a less authoritarian Islamic culture, for all of our sakes, but we disagree on tactics. I think condemnation of Islam is exactly what the fear-mongering Imams of the world want to hear from the United States.  Nothing will prop them up in the eyes of their followers more than the sense that they are locked in a life-or-death struggle with the U.S.</p><p>As evidence look at our President&#039;s poll numbers after September 11th. I&#039;m not condemning the President, just saying that almost everyone was behind him because he was representing us against attackers. We all appreciated that.</p><p>My sense is that donations to a technical education program in the Sudan would do far more to spurn economic growth, and hurt fear-mongering Imams, than every single American banding together to tell Sudanese Muslims that their religion is evil.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/11/30/it-is-a-lovely-religion-of-peace-you-have-there-sir-now-please-put-down-the-machete/comment-page-1/#comment-590335</link> <dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:22:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3667#comment-590335</guid> <description>Dirk,
Please, you have got to be kidding me.  A teacher lets her students name a teddy bear, and people call for her death.  An artist puts a crucifix in a jar of piss, throws feces on a picture of the virgin Mary, and last I checked, they&#039;re still alive.
Gay in Iran?  You&#039;ll get your head chopped off?  Gang raped?  You&#039;ll get lashed and thrown in prison.  Have sex outside of marriage?  Off with your head.  And heaven forbid a woman shows something other than her eyes.
It is not only lazy, but EXTREMELY ignorant to even begin to try and compare Middle East and Western values.  Is Islam an &quot;evil&quot; religion.  Quite frankly, I don&#039;t know at this point.  Until I see the massive uprising take place to make me think otherwise, I&#039;ll go with a tentative yes.
But you avoided the question I asked.  Where are all the civil liberties groups?  Why aren&#039;t they being more vocal?  Maybe they&#039;re just afraid of having a fatwa placed on them.  But they shouldn&#039;t be afraid, should they?  After all, Islam IS the religion of peace, right? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dirk,</p><p>Please, you have got to be kidding me.  A teacher lets her students name a teddy bear, and people call for her death.  An artist puts a crucifix in a jar of piss, throws feces on a picture of the virgin Mary, and last I checked, they&#039;re still alive.</p><p>Gay in Iran?  You&#039;ll get your head chopped off?  Gang raped?  You&#039;ll get lashed and thrown in prison.  Have sex outside of marriage?  Off with your head.  And heaven forbid a woman shows something other than her eyes.</p><p>It is not only lazy, but EXTREMELY ignorant to even begin to try and compare Middle East and Western values.  Is Islam an &quot;evil&quot; religion.  Quite frankly, I don&#039;t know at this point.  Until I see the massive uprising take place to make me think otherwise, I&#039;ll go with a tentative yes.</p><p>But you avoided the question I asked.  Where are all the civil liberties groups?  Why aren&#039;t they being more vocal?  Maybe they&#039;re just afraid of having a fatwa placed on them.  But they shouldn&#039;t be afraid, should they?  After all, Islam IS the religion of peace, right?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmie</title><link>http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/11/30/it-is-a-lovely-religion-of-peace-you-have-there-sir-now-please-put-down-the-machete/comment-page-1/#comment-590320</link> <dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:53:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3667#comment-590320</guid> <description>Dirk - As &quot;lousy&quot; as you may believe our human rights record, it is nothing compared to the cruelties demanded by Sharia law. Not even close.
The fact is that no country run by Muslims has anything close to the individual rights our country, or most other Western countries, enjoy. You can not be openly gay in a country where Sharia enjoys any serious legal consideration. Your daughter could not so much as defend herself from being gang-raped without suffering punishment that, here in the United States, would cause a deafening uproar. That is simply the way it is.
I condemn Islam not to wipe it from the face of the Earth, as most Islamic political and religious leaders wish to do with the various Christian religions. I condemn Islam in the hope that the one billion Muslims will decide that crushing gay people under walls and throwing them off of tall buildings is unacceptable. I hope that Muslims all over world will throw off their oppressors, who they outnumber greatly, and take the risks that our forefathers took to guarantee freedom and prosperity for their children and grandchildren.
I would hope that my fellow Americans here would put away their reflexive shame and work toward the same goal. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dirk &#8211; As &quot;lousy&quot; as you may believe our human rights record, it is nothing compared to the cruelties demanded by Sharia law. Not even close.</p><p>The fact is that no country run by Muslims has anything close to the individual rights our country, or most other Western countries, enjoy. You can not be openly gay in a country where Sharia enjoys any serious legal consideration. Your daughter could not so much as defend herself from being gang-raped without suffering punishment that, here in the United States, would cause a deafening uproar. That is simply the way it is.</p><p>I condemn Islam not to wipe it from the face of the Earth, as most Islamic political and religious leaders wish to do with the various Christian religions. I condemn Islam in the hope that the one billion Muslims will decide that crushing gay people under walls and throwing them off of tall buildings is unacceptable. I hope that Muslims all over world will throw off their oppressors, who they outnumber greatly, and take the risks that our forefathers took to guarantee freedom and prosperity for their children and grandchildren.</p><p>I would hope that my fellow Americans here would put away their reflexive shame and work toward the same goal.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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