Comments on: Peace, As They Want It. http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/10/11/peace-as-they-want-it/ Delivering the Best of the New Media Since 2004. Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:08:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jimmie http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/10/11/peace-as-they-want-it/comment-page-1/#comment-562082 Jimmie Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:49:37 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3415#comment-562082 My paranoia, as you call it, is borne out by copious example. Your historical memory seems somewhat misinformed. <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/geno_su.htm" rel="nofollow">Darfur </a>keeps coming to mind. However, a few other examples might be useful: There's <a href="http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde130602005" rel="nofollow">this story</a> from Iran, and <a href="http://allthingsconservative.typepad.com/all_things_conservative/2006/02/christian_perse.html" rel="nofollow">this one</a>. In Indonesia, there's <a href="http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/10/outspoken-christian-pastor-shot-dead_16.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> and <a href="http://www.christiantoday.com/article/christian.persecution.in.indonesia.escalates.in.street.attacks/4377.htm" rel="nofollow">this</a>. Turkey's "strong effort" doesn't seem to have reached out to the people who did <a href="http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1125666440.shtml" rel="nofollow">this</a>, <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,478074,00.html" rel="nofollow">this one egged on by government statements against Christians</a>, or <a href="http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=5581&dos=70&size=A" rel="nofollow">this account of what it's like to be a Christian in Turkey</a> that followed the killing of a Catholic priest after the Danish Mohammed cartoons. And if your last two sentences really reflect your beliefs, I don't know what to say. <a href="http://www.hanania.com/hatevictims.html" rel="nofollow">This person</a> went looking hard for Muslims murder victims in the three months after 9/11 and managed to find eight (not all of which could be evidentially tied to 9/11 and some of which were listed as "probable"). I find that number astounding. It stands in stark contrast to the reactions in the Muslim world after the fake "Koran in the toilet" story or the rage ginned up over the Danish Mohammed cartoons. I, personally, would rather have been a Muslim in Atlanta after 9/11 than I would be a Catholic priest in Turkey after the Danish Mohammed cartoons. At least in Atlanta, I'd have a much better chance of staying alive. My paranoia, as you call it, is borne out by copious example. Your historical memory seems somewhat misinformed. Darfur keeps coming to mind.

However, a few other examples might be useful:

There’s this story from Iran, and this one.

In Indonesia, there’s this and this.

Turkey’s “strong effort” doesn’t seem to have reached out to the people who did this, this one egged on by government statements against Christians, or this account of what it’s like to be a Christian in Turkey that followed the killing of a Catholic priest after the Danish Mohammed cartoons.

And if your last two sentences really reflect your beliefs, I don’t know what to say. This person went looking hard for Muslims murder victims in the three months after 9/11 and managed to find eight (not all of which could be evidentially tied to 9/11 and some of which were listed as “probable”). I find that number astounding. It stands in stark contrast to the reactions in the Muslim world after the fake “Koran in the toilet” story or the rage ginned up over the Danish Mohammed cartoons. I, personally, would rather have been a Muslim in Atlanta after 9/11 than I would be a Catholic priest in Turkey after the Danish Mohammed cartoons. At least in Atlanta, I’d have a much better chance of staying alive.

]]> By: fostert http://www.sundriesshack.com/2007/10/11/peace-as-they-want-it/comment-page-1/#comment-562050 fostert Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:17:02 +0000 http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=3415#comment-562050 Your paranoia about Islam is truly astounding. You are right that in some countries (Saudi Arabia, for example), there are restrictions against the practice of Christianity. But in most majority Muslin cultures that is not the case. Even Iran allows Christian churches and allows Christians to be members of the government. Turkey makes special efforts to include Christians in society and their tourism board makes a strong effort to promote their Christian heritage. Christianity is well accepted in Indonesia, the largest Muslim population in the world. For the most part, religious intolerance among Muslims is limited to the Middle East where there has been a nasty history of religious and imperial colonialism by Christians. Their issues with the western world are a result of the past 200 tears of colonial experience more than any religious differences. The Muslim world is very far from perfect, but I'd rather be Christian in Istanbul than a Muslim in Atlanta. At least in Istanbul, you'd have some respect as a Christian. Your paranoia about Islam is truly astounding. You are right that in some countries (Saudi Arabia, for example), there are restrictions against the practice of Christianity. But in most majority Muslin cultures that is not the case. Even Iran allows Christian churches and allows Christians to be members of the government. Turkey makes special efforts to include Christians in society and their tourism board makes a strong effort to promote their Christian heritage. Christianity is well accepted in Indonesia, the largest Muslim population in the world. For the most part, religious intolerance among Muslims is limited to the Middle East where there has been a nasty history of religious and imperial colonialism by Christians. Their issues with the western world are a result of the past 200 tears of colonial experience more than any religious differences. The Muslim world is very far from perfect, but I’d rather be Christian in Istanbul than a Muslim in Atlanta. At least in Istanbul, you’d have some respect as a Christian.

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