When You Refer to America, It's Okay to Say "We"
I’m on board with Jonah Goldberg and Mark Steyn. I think that once you start separating yourself from your country in the middle of a war you’re on a path that can all too easily end at Adam Gadahn and Lynne Stewart. There are a lot of stops along the way and plenty of opportunities to get off that deplorable road, but you have to know you’re on it first. It’s best not to take the first step.
From her comments, though, it seems that Katie is oblivious. Her declining audience doesn’t seem to be, though.
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So, when is it ok to disagree publicly and vocally with your government and its policies? can i do so if i really, really, really think what it is doing is a really, really, really stupid idea? or, am i suppose to just sit back and take that ride with the rest of you so that you can say "we're all in this together"?
you broke it; you pay for it. there is no we involved here, the framing of the debate has made that clear. If you're either with us or against us and i ain't with you, then don't include me in the we that is all in your debacle together.
You missed the point entirely.
Do you see that theren't a difference between disagreeing with your government and separating yourself from the "we" part of "we the people"?
The fact is that the war we're fighting is yours, too. You likely don't see that because yuo're too busy hating on George Bush to notice the Islamists who have spent the better part of two decades killing your countrymen. Trust me, to them, it doesn't matter whether you wear a "Not in my name" t-shirt or not. You're just another infidel American to them. Might not be a bad idea to recognize that.
Yeah, I know, our CiC, i.e. the Decider, has decided that Saddam needed to be taken off that high horse Daddy and friends put him on because he was sitting on too much oil, which W and his friends want at discount prices (not to pass along the saving to "us" however, of course) and lots of land on which to build bases to attack the enemy of our "friends", i.e. Iran, that Persian nation full of Shite, not Sunni (i.e. Islamofacists) diehards. Saddam never really cared about religion so the Islamofascist thing must be a new development formed in the darkness of the best ad agency money can buy. So, therefore, my country is at war and I must be also. Let's go shopping, perhaps for a Hummer or 2, or maybe some plastic water bottles. I hear they are all the rage.
Yeah, to those who embrace this war as "necessary" or "right" or even those who fear that worse will come if we leave, the issue always boils down to is you with us or against us. I'm against you. Have been fromt he start. And guess what . . . all those questions we keep hearing about that no one could have foreseen or known the answers to, well, I was right. You, were wrong.
And you know what, those who speak for you now say that I'm with "them" (whomever they happen to be at the moment). Oh, that is rich, rich, rich (not in the $$$$ way, rather in the ironic). I've been right; you've been wrong, but just keep listening to you. Yes, you have all the right answers.
Perpetual war for perpetual peace only works for as long as you've got the money to make it happen. China will one day stop floating this fiasco (probably about the time they ink those oil deals in the Middle East or that our "friends" switch to the Euro rather than the PetroDollar. Oh, the cruel irony of it all).
So while, you all have sat in your computer chairs and fought the good fight, the rest of us are waiting to see what misery will befall this nation because of your hubris, blindness and lack of understanding that might rarely makes right, but frequently makes a mess. Sometimes, you see, it's better to admit you were wrong than to demand that everyone (who knows you weren't right) agree with you.
that said, let me be the first to state that war with Iran is not in the US' interest. Perhaps it is in Israel's interest or Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (sunni, not shia). But not ours. So, if y'all want to go to war with Iran, count me out of that we thing, ok?
Have a good day.
A couple factual flaws in your argument.
1) Congress voted overwhelmingly to use further military force in Iraq, though Saddam's violation of the cease-fire made that entirely unnecessary. Still, they did it anyhow. So it's not just the President who carried out the official will of the country as expressed by a Democratic Congress and President Bill Clinton in 1998.
2) We are no longer at war with Iraq. We won that war rather decisively. We are as war, as we have been for some time, with Islamists. You might remember them as the ones who killed your fellow Americans aboard the USS Cole, in the Khobar Towers, in two embassies in Africa, in Manhattan (in 1993 and 2001), and at the Penatagon. You may also recognize them as the folks who killed Leon Klinghoffer, Robert Stethem, Daniel Pearl, and many others (and please, do look up the name Abu Nidal and note where he lived for many years while running the ANI). Mad Mahmoud is an Islamist who has been at war with us for a good many years. He has been killing our soldiers with his men, money, and material for years in Iraq. Before that, he was responsible for taking our embassy in Tehran.
Mainly, stop being so darned focused on the Big Bad Chimpy McBushHitlerburton and the events of only the last couple years and look at the world around you. There's a lot more going on than the conspiracy theories in your head.
Oh, and I understand that the Islamofacists won't recognize my I'm not with Stupid shirt, but I'm not all that concerned about them. They hit the homeland what, once every 6-8 years. Do some minor damage, unless they get lucky because some idiot, while covering his ass, told the Decider to be on the lookout for some mean people who hate our freedom who have learned how to fly but not land planes and the Decider decided to put off that decision. No, the whole they're coming to get us meme just ain't taking hold here, my friend. Hell, most of Europe has lived with this 'threat' for decades and haven't seen fit to go into convulsions like WE have, have they?
No, me, I'm more concerned about us, particularly the USofA, and the principles it was founded upon and has long stated, at least until recently, that it stood for and would uphold. Truth, justice, the American way (which was once do unto others as you would want to have done unto you and now is, f*ck you if you don't like what i'm doing because you should do as i say not as i do).
i don't see the need to be bull in the china (no pun intended) shop to do what's right in the world or to get what we want. in this war you (ooops, we) did not have to create:
Abu G
GitMo and other secret prisions
repeal habeaus for some (the decider can decide and that's good enough, no? hope you like it when the new decider gets in office)
warrantless and widespread wiretapping of Americans
private security contractors (i.e. mercenaries) in numbers equal to boots on the ground
thousands of "us" injured by IEDs because you got to [the war of choice] with the army you have rather than the army you want. (oh, those damn republicans for taking that peace dividend and giving it back to their donors)
the scorn of the world which now ridicules US for W's failures and overreaching
an impotent Congress
oh, why bother . . . you like what you got? You feel safer now than you did when W came to office? I don't. Not at all. Window dressing has never been something I'm fond of. But, you all keep on keeping on, just keep the US out of it, ok? Too much to ask, I know.
Our collective sacrifice (paid for on that Chinese credit card):
US Defense Secretary Robert Gates is seeking nearly 190 billion dollars to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2008, the largest war funding request ever in the six-year-old "war on terror," the Pentagon said Wednesday.
Guess we all need to get to work, huh? WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Yes, many Muslims have done some very bad things in the past couple of decades. Tell you what, I'll start thinking about what an idiot McBush et al and his multitudes of followers are if you'll begin asking and answering just why all those Islamofacists want to kill us (mostly overseas, even your list confirms this)? No one wakes up one day in the middle of a terrific life and decides, hey, today I'll make a suicide video and fly a plane into a building and kill thousands of people. It just doesn't happen.
So, hint, it's not because we sit over here minding our own business. And it's not because they hate our freedom. (And you're not as free as you think you are anyway, so don't even get us started on that one)
Poke a bear, you should be prepared to run. Swat the hornets' nest, again, be prepared to run.
As with most anything, the truth is somewhere in the middle. And because that is the case, in the either / or game that everyone plays these days, there is no middle. So, without the middle, by design, there is no truth.
I, unfortunately, am all for Truth, Justice and the American way. Not just the American way, right or wrong.
"They hit the homeland what, once every 6-8 years. Do some minor damage"
Wow- and this is okay with you?
Po, I don't know what to do with you. You seem pretty impervious to reason, so I can't reason with you. I could quote a few Islamists on why they hate us, but you wouldn't accept the reasons because they don't fit your worldview. I could claim that we are objectively safer here than we were in 1993 or 2001 but you wouldn't buy that either.
We can't have a conversation because you won't leave the goalposts in the same place from minute to minute. That's your problem, not mine. Like I said in another post, feel free to rant to your heart's content. We adults have a war to fight and a nation to run. Your kids will thank us.