Apples, Oranges, and Surveillance.

| September 14, 2006 | Comments (4)

Glenn Greenwald, erstwhile First Amendment lawyer, wants to take Glenn Reynolds to task for apparent hypocrisy. He even has quotes to prove it (dug up by someone else, of course). The problem is, Greenwald really does need to brush up on his reading comprehension skills before he goes around slinging mud. Let’s take a look at the incriminating Reynolds quote.

Reynolds wrote back in 2001 about his opposition to an act that would have opened up internet traffic to government surveillance. That surveillance would have allowed use of the FBI’s Carnivore program pretty much at the while of any US Attorney or any state attorney general. The law allowed the authorization without a warrant not only for terrorist threats but also for any possible attack “on the integrity or availability of a protected computer” which, as the article linked not only by Reynolds but also by Greenwald explains, would include computer hacking. About this, Reynolds said:

THE SENATE has approved a bill allowing warrantless taps of Internet traffic. This is one of those losses of freedom I was talking about. It may (and should) be ruled unconstitutional. But it shouldn’t be passed at all.

Would this have prevented Tuesday’s attacks? No, because we didn’t know who to tap. Has the FBI wanted this for years anyway, under a variety of excuses (drug dealers, organized crime, kiddie porn, whatever the flavor of the week was)? Yes. Is this bureaucratic opportunism? Yes again.

If the bill can’t be stopped, opponents in the House should insist on a sunset provision — say in two years. If it hasn’t proved its usefulness by then, it should be scrapped. But really, it should be scrapped now.

I emphazised a bit of Reynolds’ quote because it’ll be important in just a moment. Now let’s look at what Greenwald’s big “AHA!”.

Amazingly, if you follow the link which Reynolds included, you will find that the legislation which so offended his libertarian sensibilities (the “Combating Terrorism Act of 2001″) — and which he said was unconstitutional (presumably on Fourth Amendment grounds) — provided far, far less surveillance power to the President than the current Specter bill (or the President’s NSA program), since all that bill provided was that “prosecutors could authorize surveillance for 48-hour periods without a judge’s approval.” And the surveillance allowed was restricted to a very narrow category of Internet usage data..

I don’t think Greenwald is a stupid man, though he is purposefully obtuse here. If he had actually read Reynold’s post, he would see pretty plainly that the problem with the 2001 Act wasn’t what was being monitored nor how long the monirots were in place. The problem was with who were being monitored.

Carnivore, as you may remember, was a program that intercepted data from every single user of an ISP (or wherever else it was placed). Reynolds point is a simple one. Even with Carnivore in place, we had no idea who we were looking for.

Now, on the other hand, we have a much better idea. The fundamental difference between the act that Reynolds opposed and the one that Greenwald now shrieks about is that the act today actually targets specific people instead of, potentially, everyone.

This is Greenwald’s essential distortion. The law that Senator Hatch has proposed is very simple: if you are communicating overseas to a person we have found has ties to terrorists, we are going to monitor that conversation. That’s far different from monitoring everyone using a certain ISP (like, say Verizon or America Online) hoping to find incriminating communications. The difference is twofold and, since Greenwald doesn’t see it, I’ll point it out.

1) Hatch’s act would target perhaps a couple thousand people, at the most. The 2001 act that Reynolds opposed would have places tens of thousands, and perhaps millions, under surveillance.

2) Hatch’s act would limit surveillance to national security purposes, monitored by the NSA. The 2001 act would have allowed surveillance for criminal acts beyond those that would threaten national security, monitored by law enforcement officials.

Those differences are huge and for Greenwald to say that since each is a surveillance program they are equal demonstrates how incredibly unserious he really is on this issue. The two programs are apples and oranges. Reynolds was right to oppose a law that would allow law enforcment to monitor large and mostly random group of people hoping to find some evidence of one of many crimes. He’s equally right to support a program that monitors specific people communicating through known channels tied to known terrorists looking for specific pieces of information for a specific national-security purpose.

As I said earlier, Greenwald is supposed to be a lawyer. He knows the difference between the two acts because, I assume, he can read. If he can’t, he’s should let the people who can have this connversation because he’s unqualified to participate in the debate.

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  1. jpe says:

    Even with Carnivore in place, we had no idea who we were looking for.

    It would seem to me to work just like FISA: find someone suspected of terrorism, and spy on their web activity. Reynolds objected to that on Constitutional grounds, not the pragmatic grounds you cite. Given that, it's hard to square his opposition to that with his support of warrantless wiretapping.

    The real problem, though, is that Reynolds just doesn't write much, so it's pretty hard to tell where his real objections lie.

  2. Jimmie says:

    It's really not difficult to do at all. The law wasn't written to target specific people, as the NSA bill specifies. It targeted everyone on a particular ISP. That's what the Carnivore program does. That's why Reynolds objected to it.

  3. jpe says:

    I don't know how you got a reason for Reynolds's objection out of his vague, 3 paragraph post (which was epic by his standards). Is it like one of those magic eye thingies where you squint and an explanation appears?

    It sounds like, based on your desription, there was plenty of good reason to oppose the url-spying program. So while your reconstruction makes sense, I just don't know if one can attribute it to Insty.

  4. Jimmie says:

    It seems to me that his first point is pretty clear: at that point, we had no idea who we were looking for, so it'd be unconstitutional to just throw out a humongous net and sift through everyone's records.

    His second objection takes a little bit of reading, but basically, it sums up as, "You can't give law-enforcement a blanket permission to look at everyone on an ISP, trolling for evidence of a crime". His concern, since he mentioned all the other things law enforceement had wanted to use Carnivore to find, was that the police would still be able to use it to find those things, which would be unconstitutional. Reynolds has ben pretty steadfast in noting that there's a difference, Constitutionally, between what can be done in the name of law enforcement and what can be done for national security. I don't know that it's such a reach to get what I said from what he said, especially if you've read Reynolds for any length of time. I'm not at all sure that Greenwald has done that. It certainly doesn't appear that he was writing in good faith.

    That's the fundamental difference between the proposed law than and the one now. The present bill mandates that there be specific targets and specific things for which to look that would be done by a national security agency.

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